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Old 06.08.2012, 15:38
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although it's clearly off-topic, maybe part of the reason is also because the vast majority of terrorist attacks against the US since the 70's have been carried out by radical Muslim factions?


Well, I have no idea if that's true. But that is why I wrote the words "in part due to the American media." (e.g. Fox news).
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Y'all being who exactly?
I believe Europeans... due to the Norway massacre. However while that may have been the worst incident, I'm still not sure total gun homicide rates were more. I'm also not bothered to look it up, as I get his point - it isn't an exclusively American problem, though it seems more common there than elsewhere in the Western world.
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although it's clearly off-topic, maybe part of the reason is also because the vast majority of terrorist attacks against the US since the 70's have been carried out by radical Muslim factions?
Without rushing off to Wikipedia, I would have thought that the majority of terrorist attacks against the US were homegrown/domestic.
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Old 06.08.2012, 16:01
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Without rushing off to Wikipedia, I would have thought that the majority of terrorist attacks against the US were homegrown/domestic.
but in terms of numbers killed?
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple in USA

[QUOTE=Corbets;1627137]The quality of insight in some of these posts is unmatched - I wish I had your deep and intuitive understanding of events I know nothing about, people.

"The man was white, therefore it must be a hate crime." Wow. Let's go for all-in racism on that


There, got it off my chest. You folks can now return to building your soapboxes atop the latest tragedy.[/QUOT

Clearly you didn't bother to look at the Harvard link I posted (never let evidence get in your way I see.) I said probably a hate crime as in likely not for sure. Lets LOOK at the numbers -most hate crimes in the US are perpetrated by whites and most Americans do not know the difference between Muslims and Sikhs. This wasn't an evil mastermind here. It was one gun in a place of worship different from ones own. We won't know anything until the investigation is further underway. Will any motive make killing 6 people better anyway? The question was asked and I am proposing EDUCATED speculation, nothing more.
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple in USA

So, the verdict is in that the shooter was a white supremacist - unequivocal tattoos and singer in a skinhead band.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1746579.html

Just some more perspective, not my conjecture.
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So, the verdict is in that the shooter was a white supremacist - unequivocal tattoos and singer in a skinhead band.
I like the pic at the bottom best.



Either those cops have tiny guns or this gentleman needs a workout...
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple in USA

Just end racism already...We're in the 21st century!
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The quality of insight in some of these posts is unmatched - I wish I had your deep and intuitive understanding of events I know nothing about, people.

"The man was white, therefore it must be a hate crime." Wow. Let's go for all-in racism on that one.

"I hope Americans learn from this that whites are just as capable of being terrorists." Are you an idiot, or just willfully ignorant? The unabomber, Oklahoma City bombings, whatever - there are plenty examples of homegrown white terrorists that you can use as an example, and of which we are all aware. Perhaps you're too young to have watched TV in the 90s, though, so you might not have known those very famous examples. Fortunately (and I use that word only in context of my point here), there was an example in Colorado just a few weeks ago of a white guy shooting up a Batman showing, so you really ought to know that Americans are perfectly aware that white people kill too.

Lejoker, you're just trying to stir the pot. Not really worth commenting.

And Assassin, your posts are usually pretty good, but even just a few weeks ago in the thread on the batman shooting, we addressed the subject of European gun crime. Y'all way outdid Americans last year in Norway, and you've had a few others across the continent too. It's not solely an American problem, that's clear - though it's a larger problem on the other side of the pond, that's also clear.

There, got it off my chest. You folks can now return to building your soapboxes atop the latest tragedy.
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple in USA

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although it's clearly off-topic, maybe part of the reason is also because the vast majority of terrorist attacks against the US since the 70's have been carried out by radical Muslim factions?



frankly, the motive here should be irrelevant - even if we found a magical way to rid people of their ignorant hate for other religions, races, peoples, etc., the loonies would still manufacture a reason to do blame others for whatever ails them.
Then call them radikals or idiots but by calling them muslims you put billions of people in the same group with those idiots, that is just not fair.
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Old 06.08.2012, 21:42
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple in USA

It seems more and more likely that this was a racist fail.
Reports are coming in that suggest that the bugger was too stupid to tell the difference between Moslems and Sikhs.
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Old 06.08.2012, 22:17
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple in USA

I just read this:

"Authorities said the gunman had used a 9mm semi-automatic handgun, which was recovered at the scene. They were trying to track the origin of the weapon.

Wisconsin has some of the most permissive gun laws in the country and passed a law in 2011 allowing citizens to carry a concealed weapon."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true
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Sikhs are so peaceful. The first thought that came to mind when i heard about this story on the news was that the culprit must have mistaken them for muslims, simply because Sikhs wear turbans. ive met many americans in my travels who simply call anyone with any form of material on their heads a "diaper head".
I do not quite get your argument. Muslims do NOT wear turbans

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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple in USA

I've nothing sensible to add to the debate. So, I'll say nothing.

Except, I'm sorry for the people who've been killed, their families, their friends and every American citizen affected by this murdering POS.
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But she ordered her troops to fire on the Golden Temple, most holy site of the Sikhs. That's pretty inexcusable in my book. No matter what some individual Sikhs may have done to provoke her.

It would be akin to bombing Mekka in the middle of the pilgrimage season in retaliation to some attack by individual radicalized Muslims.

It's not the sort of thing smart and tolerant statesmen do.

Ultimately, it was a war crime, and ought to have been treated as such.
Well, THESE reports
http://www.siasat.com/english/news/k...-golden-temple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star
show what lead to the military operation in question. Indira Gandhi possibly had not too much of a choice

Btw. the Saudi government militarily intervened in Mekka twice, once with the help of Jordanian elite soldiers
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Then call them radikals or idiots but by calling them muslims you put billions of people in the same group with those idiots, that is just not fair.
I did call them radical?



most of the news reports I recall from the US likewise used adjectives such as "radical" or "fundamentalist" to describe the factions that were responsible for terrorism against the US. I agree entirely that it is unfair to take a single radical idiot and characterize an entire set of people on the basis of that single idiot's behavior.
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple in USA

Just to keep things as warm as toast, a mosque got burned down in Kansas today http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/20...-incendiee.php . Can't yet find an English link but that'll come. Looks like preelection fun is hitting new highs!

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Found this from a local source: http://www.kswo.com/story/19205707/j...ze-this-summer
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Just to keep things as warm as toast, a mosque got burned down in Kansas today http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/20...-incendiee.php . Can't yet find an English link but that'll come. Looks like preelection fun is hitting new highs!
Here's a link to NBC
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Just to keep things as warm as toast, a mosque got burned down in Kansas today http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/20...-incendiee.php . Can't yet find an English link but that'll come. Looks like preelection fun is hitting new highs!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...to-ground.html
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