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On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

George Galloway has been criticised by anti-rape campaigners after suggesting Julian Assange was accused of nothing more than "bad sexual etiquette".


Mr Assange is wanted in Sweden to face allegations - which he denies - of sexual assault made by two women.

The Respect MP said the women's claims were "totally unproven" and the Wikileaks founder had been "set up".


Mr Galloway, a frequent critic of the US and UK governments, said Mr Assange's "only crime was to expose, through Wikileaks, malfeasance by states including our own and the US on a truly gargantuan scale".

The Bradford West MP suggested one of the women had claimed she invited Mr Assange back to her flat, had consensual sex with him and then "woke up to him having sex with her again - something which can happen, you know".
On the issue of whether this would constitute rape or not, Mr Galloway suggested that "not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion".
"Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.
"It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, 'do you mind if I do it again?'
"It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning."


BBC Article: Here

Good night with Galloway Podcast: (Fast-forward to 3:00 to start of the show and 13:50 for J-Ass topic)
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Old 21.08.2012, 09:44
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Re: On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

did he never listen to Ian Dury?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VeOakGGPQ


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Galloway is an embarrassment to politics, an embarrassment to Scotland and a complete and utter embarrassment to Great Britain.
The guy is an attention seeking whore who will go against the grain on any subject simply for publicity.

This is what this so called MP gets up to for publicity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v9IXwFb_cg
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Galloway is an embarrassment to politics, an embarrassment to Scotland and a complete and utter embarrassment to Great Britain.
Stay on topic please

But anyway I totally disagree with you on all counts, I don't see any point in arguing over Galloways character.

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Stay on topic please
It is.......
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It is.......
The topic is not about whether Galloway is of good or bad character...
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Re: On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

My 2 cents, if a woman says no, it means no. Stop what you are doing. I don't care how horny I am, I'm not interested in a sleeping or dead fish... tho I suppose there are those that get off on it, or sucking toes

It's just in this instance, seems like one way to get a public consensus to make someone unpopular is to indict them on some sort of sex crime.
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Re: On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

Silly man. Why couldn't he just say he believes the charges are trumped up to deal with someone regarded as a nuisance? That might be worthy of debate
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Silly man. Why couldn't he just say he believes the charges are trumped up to deal with someone regarded as a nuisance? That might be worthy of debate
That's exactly what he said! He said that the accusations are unfounded because the claims of these women can not be constituted as 'RAPE', and that it's all a political game. Of course J-Ass is a big nuisance to the USA for exposing their 'dirty laundry'

Fast forward to 20:10, if it's not clear enough to you what he's saying.
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That's exactly what he said! He said that the accusations are unfounded because the claims of these women can not be constituted as 'RAPE', and that it's all a political game. Of course J-Ass is a big nuisance to the USA for exposing their 'dirty laundry'

Fast forward to 20:10, if it's not clear enough to you what he's saying.
Sorry, I didn't watch the video. But my point was, he's silly because he's overshadowed his serious point of trumped up charges because his definition of rape is *ahem* controversial. Witness your own thread title - not "Galloway - Assange - trumped-up charges" but "Galloway - rape"
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Re: On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

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Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them
Hmmm. A bit like the old "you can't rape your wife" argument.
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Re: On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

So if I have at some point made a donation or just given money to someone, the next time they want some, they can just come and take without asking me? And that would not be stealing?
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Sorry, I didn't watch the video. But my point was, he's silly because he's overshadowed his serious point of trumped up charges because his definition of rape is *ahem* controversial. Witness your own thread title - not "Galloway - Assange - trumped-up charges" but "Galloway - rape"
He's clearly not silly based on this, as he knows it's controversial and he himself says so, it might be headline grabbing, but in this day and age there aren't many ways to raise the profile of something or someone, and unfortunately controversy is one of them. Noone is gonna bother reading a thread with "Galloway - Assange - trumped-up charges"...
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So if I have at some point made a donation or just given money to someone, the next time they want some, they can just come and take without asking me? And that would not be stealing?
You can NOT really aproximate sexual intercourse to making a donation surely

In any case, let me elaborate further on your analogy... you invite someone for dinner as a 'donation', he has the main course and is now full and falls asleep satisfied, later on he wakes up and wants to sample some of the dessert... is this now considered theft?
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Hmmm. A bit like the old "you can't rape your wife" argument.
In some societies, wife, goat, sheep and rape are never put into the same sentence, since one can not rape his property.
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Re: On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

I think if the did was acceptably and consensually done, both sleep the night together (I'm assuming in/close to the buff) a morning romp is definitely a possibility if not expected. If one initiates in the morning, and the other says no, but the initiator continues, then it is rape.
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Re: On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

anyway, lesson learned. if you're going to take on the world's superpower, then it is probably best that you don't shag anybody as it will come back to haunt you!
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but the initiator continues, then it is rape.
Big 'BUT'... I mean how can one prove that the second party said No? There has to be physical evidence, a rational behind the change of heart and you certainly don't leave it until someone is in the spotlight to come out with a ridiculous story to help tarnish the reputation of said someone however controversial they may or may not be considered.
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Re: On MP Galloway: is it RAPE if she's asleep? or just "Bad Sexual Etiquette"?

I read the entire article from the BBC link you provided. It is all over the place and back and forth.

So, to sum up what I gathered from the article. he slept with the woman, she fell asleep and while sleeping, he had sex with her again?

Ok... so, we would need some clarity around this

1. Is someone implying that during that "sleeping sex" she never woke up?
2. If she did wake up, did she say, stop?
3. At any point before going to sleep, did she or he say it was ok, if one of the two were asleep?
4. Did this actually happen that he had sex with her while she was sleeping?

What is implied here, to me, is, they had sex, he left the room (they didn't stay in bed) and then, in the night, he came back into the room, and jumped on her while she was sleeping. THAT, would be disgusting and.......

I think before anyone makes a conclusion as to the "facts", these should be properly presented.

Looking into the bigger picture, it is clear to me that everyone wants his head on a platter so they can all say they shut up the person who exposed what was not wanted to be exposed. I cannot help but believe how intertwined these two issues are.
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I think if the did was acceptably and consensually done, both sleep the night together (I'm assuming in/close to the buff) a morning romp is definitely a possibility if not expected. If one initiates in the morning, and the other says no, but the initiator continues, then it is rape.
there is no question, if one says no and the other continues, it is flat out rape...

i don't know or believe that has anything to do with this particular case though
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