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Old 22.08.2012, 12:04
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Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

Has anyone read this week's cover story from Newsweek Magazine? Columnist and Harvard Professor argues factually that Barack Obama has failed to live up to expectations and that Mitt Romney wold be a better option for the presidency.

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Old 22.08.2012, 12:07
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Has anyone read this week's cover story from Newsweek Magazine? Columnist and Harvard Professor argues factually that Barack Obama has failed to live up to expectations and that Mitt Romney wold be a better option for the presidency.

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Compared to his predecessor, he's doing a hell of a job IMO.
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Old 22.08.2012, 12:11
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Compared to his predecessor, he's doing a hell of a job IMO.
Even a dead penguin would be doing a hell of a job compared to GWB.

Which is about as good as Obama is doing.

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Old 22.08.2012, 12:14
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Re: Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

i used to wonder how anyone could be worse that GWB. now we know.
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Old 22.08.2012, 12:16
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Re: Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

I don't think he's a bad President its just that he promised so much and there was such a weight of expectation on him that he's failed to deliver. I suppose that's what you get when you vote for looks and charisma rather than skill and technical ability
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Old 22.08.2012, 12:54
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Re: Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

If they really wanted Obama out, they should have done a MUCH better job of selecting Republican nomination and correctly guiding him to a good VP choice.

I was wavering a bit on Romney (although I think Obama did an okay job all things considered, he was handed a steaming pile after all) BUT his choice of running mate makes that a very clear NO WAY IN HELL now.
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Old 22.08.2012, 13:13
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Re: Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

Can someone please explain to me what exactly Barak Obama has done wrong?

His predecessor left him a huge, steaming pile of crap and nothing more than a teaspoon to try and shovel it away.

Sure, he made some mad promises during the campaign - every politician has made promises he or she cannot possibly keep, so why is everyone hammering Obama for this?

He had pushed through some groundbreaking social reforms - bringing the USA a step closer to providing the same services that are common in most western countries.

What exactly did GWB do for the USA? Made election fraud possible at a national level, dragged the USA into an unpopular and unjustified war (Iraq), took away many civil liberties and personal freedoms, increased the deficit to record levels, strengthened the military-industrial complex and generally increased corruption. Why are so many people convinced that he, or his protegees, would be good for the USA?
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Barack Obama has failed to live up to expectations
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L-oh-L.

The Democrats are no prize, but the Republican party in its current state doesn't even pretend to act in good faith to the notion of government itself. Fortunately, their days of reaping political benefit from making government useless are numbered as more people are catching on. The Democrats are, by and large, corrupt and ineffectual, but at least their strategy doesn't seem to be to actively throw a monkey wrench into any reform, grind government to a halt, and make people's lives worse while the opposing party is in power.

For proof: See McCain's hissy fit of "no more cooperation" after health care passed in 2010, Mitch McConnell recently saying that priority number 1 for House Republicans is making Obama a 1-term president, and this interesting article.
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Can someone please explain to me what exactly Barak Obama has done wrong?
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Didn’t Obama break a few of his campaign promises and lie about some of his views?

I’ve read this article today: http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-bipartisan-imperial-presidency/article/2505411#.UDOopt1lS0E

“If you have doubts about the constitutionality of that fearsome array of powers, if you worry about concentrating so much "trust and temptation" in one fallible human being's hands -- and you should -- then the 2012 campaign presents a pretty dispiriting choice: Do you prefer a candidate who's flagrantly violated his promises not to violate the Constitution, or one who tells you right up front that he'll probably commit the same abuses?”
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Old 22.08.2012, 13:34
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Re: Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

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Can someone please explain to me what exactly Barak Obama has done wrong?

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I was upset that he caved to the Republicans on the tax breaks for the wealthy. But, that is the way government (in the US) works. He presumably wanted health care more, so had to give in to them on extending the tax breaks.

That being said, I will still vote for him again... I don't think I trust Romney, he seems too slick

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Didn’t Obama break a few of his campaign promises and lie about some of his views?

I’ve read this article today: http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-bipartisan-imperial-presidency/article/2505411#.UDOopt1lS0E

are those lies in that article, as I haven't read it yet. Otherwise, I would like to know what he lied about regarding his views.


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“If you have doubts about the constitutionality of that fearsome array of powers, if you worry about concentrating so much "trust and temptation" in one fallible human being's hands -- and you should -- then the 2012 campaign presents a pretty dispiriting choice: Do you prefer a candidate who's flagrantly violated his promises not to violate the Constitution, or one who tells you right up front that he'll probably commit the same abuses?”
what does that mean? Especially the last part - what part of the constitution was violated?
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Re: Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

Obama's a horrible president. Romney's not really a better option. None of the "third-party" candidates are serious contenders, and all have glaring issues of their own. I think 2012 is the year the U.S. loses...
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are those lies in that article, as I haven't read it yet. Otherwise, I would like to know what he lied about regarding his views.
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what does that mean? Especially the last part - what part of the constitution was violated?
Well, according to the article there was a reporter Charlie Savage who over the last 2 election cycles asked every major party presidential candidate about their views on executive power. Sen. Obama said: "The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." Then he has done the opposite.
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Old 22.08.2012, 14:24
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Didn’t Obama break a few of his campaign promises and lie about some of his views?

I’ve read this article today: http://washingtonexaminer.com/the-bipartisan-imperial-presidency/article/2505411#.UDOopt1lS0E

“If you have doubts about the constitutionality of that fearsome array of powers, if you worry about concentrating so much "trust and temptation" in one fallible human being's hands -- and you should -- then the 2012 campaign presents a pretty dispiriting choice: Do you prefer a candidate who's flagrantly violated his promises not to violate the Constitution, or one who tells you right up front that he'll probably commit the same abuses?”
Rather than a political piece in a paper, do you have a categorical list of what he lied about?
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Rather than a political piece in a paper, do you have a categorical list of what he lied about?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...broken/?page=1
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Old 22.08.2012, 14:38
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Re: Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

My personal belief is that President Obama's principal failure is that he appeared to be naive and ineffective in managing the experts which he put into place. He tends to be a great orator, but allows others to come in behind his grand ideals to fill in the details of plans and programs which frequently don't align with the original vision.

Reference this quote from the book "Confidence Men" by Ron Suskind (attributed to economic adviser Larry Summers, during a 2009 conversation with economic adviser Peter Orszag).

“You know, Peter, we’re really home alone ... I mean it. We’re home alone. There’s no adult in charge. Clinton would never have made these mistakes [of indecisiveness on key economic issues].”

The administration has failed to meet it's own projections regarding economic growth, unemployment projections, and budget reductions. The list goes on and on.

In response to the issue of the powers of the Executive Branch, President Obama has shown an unsettling moral flexibility in the approval of sanctioned assassinations via unmanned aircraft (almost always with a correspondingly high civilian fatality rate). There has also been the complete failure of the promise to close the detention prison at Guantanamo Bay.

I'm not saying that anyone else could have done any better, but to ignore these (and many other) points in favor of the completely unrealistic idea that the president has done a great job in naive at best.
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Re: Newsweek Article- Hit the Road Barack, Why We Need a New President

I'm not a US citizen, so who gives a toss what I think.....but...

I like Obama. I think he is a good man which good principles who is doing the best with the cards he has been dealt including Congress. I think he would rather compromise than fight, and is pragmatic not dogmatic. I wish more politicians were like him, and more electors recognised the difficulty of the post.
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I'm not a US citizen, so who gives a toss what I think.....but...

I like Obama. I think he is a good man which good principles who is doing the best with the cards he has been dealt including Congress. I think he would rather compromise than fight, and is pragmatic not dogmatic. I wish more politicians were like him, and more electors recognised the difficulty of the post.
What would you say were Obama's achievements?
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What would you say were Obama's achievements?
He stopped the world hating his country and made people respect the office again. He also seemed to try work with his opponents for the good of the country rather than fight for his own political capital.

I respect both.
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He stopped the world hating his country and made people respect the office again. He also seemed to try work with his opponents for the good of the country rather than fight for his own political capital.

I respect both.
Thanks. So his achievement is "not being George W Bush"?

Do you have anything more concrete?
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Thanks. So his achievement is "not being George W Bush"?

Do you have anything more concrete?
I'm just giving my view on why I like him, I wasn't expecting a cross examination

But I happen to think that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was the first attempt I've seen by a US President to do something unpopular but required, and admire the balls of the man for doing that - despite it being shot down in some quarters
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