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Old 08.07.2016, 13:28
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I think we know what you intended to portray: That perhaps you have some empathy for people who feel oppressed, and lost without a voice.

but again, terrible choice of word.
This.

Plus... we don't have any information right now about the suspects. Any discussions about motives or intent (aside from the one suspect talking about trying to kill as many cops as possible) are pure speculation.
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Thanks Urs Max, I wanted to post about this case too after I saw the news this morning. Disgusting, he was shot like a dog...by the police! In a so-called first world country or something.. I have never seen anything like that.
Very smart to get into a physical fight with an armed police officer.
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Old 08.07.2016, 13:52
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

To my knowledge, understandable doesn't imply sympathize, condone or approve. If it does, it's indeed a poor choice.
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Old 08.07.2016, 14:14
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An eye for an eye, that's just crazy (though somewhat understandable). And instead of helping the problem lessen, if anything it will deepen.
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"understandable" was definitely a poor choice of words to describe the recent situation.


I think we know what you intended to portray: That perhaps you have some empathy for people who feel oppressed, and lost without a voice.
...but does it meet the litmus test, can the term/sentiment be applied across the board without bias? Let's see...

Italy is struggling to deal with the large influx of African/Middle Eastern migrants, and many Italians feel helpless and overwhelmed about the situation (eg. "lost without a voice"). Last week a right-wing football fan beat to death a random African migrant on the street. Should we also say this incident is "somewhat understandable"?

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To my knowledge, understandable doesn't imply sympathize, condone or approve. If it does, it's indeed a poor choice.
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Old 08.07.2016, 15:21
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A comparable situation exists with Israel and the Palestineans.
Please explain
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

A "person of interest" whose picture had been circulated turns himself in to police, who had earlier released a picture of a man in a camouflage T-shirt carrying a long gun.

When asked why his brother had taken his gun to a peaceful protest. Corey Hughes replied: "Because it is his right."

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Old 08.07.2016, 15:29
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understandable is not the same as acceptable, right or good. And no esto, i won't explain it to you because you don't come across as looking for a constructive discussion.
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Old 08.07.2016, 15:36
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Old 08.07.2016, 15:44
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

I understand people feel violently persecuted.
I understand these people are desperate.
I understand these people want to take action.
I don't understand why this desperate action is violent mass murder of police officers.


If 'understand' is used as an umbrella term for the situation, it could be perceived to be applied to any or all of the above statements. Which is why I feel it's a poor choice.
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I understand people feel violently persecuted.
I understand these people are desperate.
I understand these people want to take action.
I don't understand why this desperate action is violent mass murder of police officers.


If 'understand' is used as an umbrella term for the situation, it could be perceived to be applied to any or all of the above statements. Which is why I feel it's a poor choice.
I struggle to see how one could conclude number four, of course it is mass murder. But I'm not English native, you are (I think), so thank you for explaining.
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Old 08.07.2016, 16:50
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Would it not be easier just to nuke the whole of the US - and then try again in a few half lives?
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Old 08.07.2016, 16:56
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I struggle to see how one could conclude number four, of course it is mass murder. But I'm not English native, you are (I think), so thank you for explaining.


I agree that a normal person should not conclude number 4, but if one was to comment "It is understandable, what happened in Dallas", number 4 can not be assumed to be omitted.


Just for explanation purposes, I realize you only meant the first 3.
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Old 08.07.2016, 17:39
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Please explain

I know what he means
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Old 08.07.2016, 17:41
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Would it not be easier just to nuke the whole of the US - and then try again in a few half lives?
Not yet, the NFL season starts early September.
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"This kind of thing has been happening since I was a teenager..and in those days we used to say.."Oh, man, if we only had a black President...things like this would change...Thank God Doctor King is not here to see this division..we have to fight to get back our values.This was the condition when my uncle Frederick Joseph, a policeman was gunned down and killed in New York by thugs..I was named Yaphet Frederick Kotto...after him....I am wrecked to see this still happening...totally wrecked..."

One of the nicest guys I know and the only black Jew I know. It would be good if something changed but the constitution isn't holding our breath.
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Old 08.07.2016, 23:10
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

I don't know why people are surprised when people turn round and do unto others as they do unto them.
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

The problem is some insist on defining the world in terms of race, class or profession in this case, and overlook the individual. Shooting at the police is like Kicking the Dog:

When someone in power over you forces something upon you, and you in turn force something on someone under you. like when parents punish you, then you turn around and beat on your little brother.

Its all the same mental failure.
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the problem is some insist on defining the world in terms of religion, religion or religion........
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For those who fight these senseless wars when "lives of other matter".

There is an island which is disputed territory between Canada and Denmark. The militaries of both countries periodically visit to remove the other guy's flags and leave a bottle of Danish schnapps or Canadian whiskey. This is what happens when nice people fight.
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For those who fight these senseless wars when "lives of other matter".

There an is island which is disputed territory between Canada and Denmark. The militaries of both countries periodically visit to remove the other guy's flags and leave a bottle of Danish schnapps or Canadian whiskey. This is what happens when nice people fight.

I appreciate the sentiment here, but is a territory dispute really an appropriate analogy for centuries of slavery and institutionalized racism??
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