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Old 02.10.2017, 14:22
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And if he's a convert?

He would still be a white terrorist.
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:26
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honestly marton, this is pretty low. A murderer happens to be white, so now he must be a terrorist and a Trump voter as well by default?

It seems like you're happy that he's of a particular skin color, which is plainly racist.

oh please, enough with this sanctimonious crap.

Its perfectly valid to ask if he was a Trump supporter, since it is a very recent phenomenon that Trump supporters feel emboldened enough to resort to terrorism. Not long ago, Trump fanboys were walking down the streets of america, waving swastikas and carrying assault rifles. the next step from proudly displaying weapons along with far-right slogans, is using those weapons for the purpose intended.

And regarding the skin colour, it is a fact that he is white, and this has the hallmarks of a terror attack. Its perfectly legitimate to wonder if he was, therefore, a white terrorist.

Marton shows no disrespect to the victims by questioning what we know about the murderer. Its about time the threat from extremists not affiliated to a particular religion was taken more seriously.
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:29
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oh please, enough with this sanctimonious crap.

Its perfectly valid to ask if he was a Trump supporter, since it is a very recent phenomenon that Trump supporters feel emboldened enough to resort to terrorism. Not long ago, Trump fanboys were walking down the streets of america, waving swastikas and carrying assault rifles. the next step from proudly displaying weapons along with far-right slogans, is using those weapons for the purpose intended.

And regarding the skin colour, it is a fact that he is white, and this has the hallmarks of a terror attack. Its perfectly legitimate to wonder if he was, therefore, a white terrorist.

Marton shows no disrespect to the victims by questioning what we know about the murderer. Its about time the threat from extremists not affiliated to a particular religion was taken more seriously.
Right, cos Trump supporters are well known for their visceral hatred of country music...
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:38
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Because you should be free to defend yourself against someone with a semi-automatic gun?
Useless, you're falling prey to an NRA myth. Check the shootings where police congregations were targeted.
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:39
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Now the deadliest multiple shooting in US history.

1 person, with 1 tool, killed 50 people and injured 200.

Let your mind process that for a minute.
Far from the deadliest domestic attack in US history, however.

1 person, with 1 tool, killed 168 people and injured over 600.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

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Old 02.10.2017, 14:42
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far from the deadliest domestic attack in us history, however.

1 person, with 1 tool, killed 168 people and injured over 600.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/timothy_mcveigh

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Old 02.10.2017, 14:42
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Right, cos Trump supporters are well known for their visceral hatred of country music...
Do you have a source for this or is it just some stereotyping of Trump supporters; stereotyping you yourself groaned at?
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Do you have a source for this or is it just some stereotyping of Trump supporters; stereotyping you yourself groaned at?
Are you drunk?
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:46
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honestly marton, this is pretty low. A murderer happens to be white, so now he must be a terrorist and a Trump voter as well by default?

It seems like you're happy that he's of a particular skin color, which is plainly racist.
I agree it wasn't a terribly tasteful comment BUT it does kind of highlight a point. Reading the comment sections of various media outlets as well as a few choice Tweets after the story broke, a LOT of people made a LOT of assumptions based on the type of incident.

It seems to be generally acceptable to point the finger at one set of people and fill in your own back-story before the facts are fully known but NOT OK to point the finger at people and speculate at anyone not from this set.
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:48
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honestly marton, this is pretty low. A murderer happens to be white, so now he must be a terrorist and a Trump voter as well by default?

It seems like you're happy that he's of a particular skin color, which is plainly racist.
You are claiming that I am happy about such a terrible event?
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:50
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Right, cos Trump supporters are well known for their visceral hatred of country music...
I have a visceral hatred of country music, does that make me a Trump supporter?

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Old 02.10.2017, 14:54
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I'll wager its far more difficult to purchase that volume of fertiliser then it is to purchase an assault rifle and several hundred rounds.
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:55
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Because you should be free to defend yourself against someone with a semi-automatic gun?
Good luck against one firing from a 32nd floor window.
Lets say "Good guy with a gun" #1 pulls out his weapon in response to the shooting. "Good guy with a gun" #2 sees #1 and assumes he is the shooter, so shoots at him. #1 returns fire, assuming #2 is the shooter and so on and so on.....
All the while the police are trying to identify the real shooter, who is taking pot-shots from the relative safety of his hotel balcony.
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Old 02.10.2017, 14:57
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Good luck against one firing from a 32nd floor window.
Lets say "Good guy with a gun" #1 pulls out his weapon in response to the shooting. "Good guy with a gun" #2 sees #1 and assumes he is the shooter, so shoots at him. #1 returns fire, assuming #2 is the shooter and so on and so on.....
All the while the police are trying to identify the real shooter, who is taking pot-shots from the relative safety of his hotel balcony.


This feat of logic and sound thinking is far beyond the NRA-loving gun-philes.
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In general, locations in the USA with more LEGAL guns per capita are the ones with less crime.
Crime rate involves many illegalities where gun ownership has zero influence, white collar crime in general.

Prove the negative correlation with homicide.
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In general, locations in the USA with more LEGAL guns per capita are the ones with less crime.
Source please. I am really interested in how these data are presented.
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Ban fertilizer!
Legislation that affects purchase of large amounts of fertilizers in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ors-and-poison
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Old 02.10.2017, 15:28
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To all those saying that the second amendment was written over 200 years ago, and that in a stable, functioning democracy there is no need to own a gun, see what happened in Catalonia yesterday.
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Old 02.10.2017, 15:33
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To all those saying that the second amendment was written over 200 years ago, and that in a stable, functioning democracy there is no need to own a gun, see what happened in Catalonia yesterday.
You don't make your point clear, so how would unrestricted gun ownership have improved the situation exactly?
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Old 02.10.2017, 15:37
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You don't make your point clear, so how would unrestricted gun ownership have improved the situation exactly?
The point is that the State cannot be trusted.
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