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Old 02.10.2017, 15:38
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To all those saying that the second amendment was written over 200 years ago, and that in a stable, functioning democracy there is no need to own a gun, see what happened in Catalonia yesterday.
Eh? That's completely irrelevant.

Was there any shooting in Spain? Seems like heavy handed violence on the part of the police but what good would a mob of armed civilians have brought to the situation? Would have ended in a blood bath.
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Old 02.10.2017, 15:43
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To all those saying that the second amendment was written over 200 years ago, and that in a stable, functioning democracy there is no need to own a gun, see what happened in Catalonia yesterday.
You mean, the place where people defied a government order and voted illegally?

Now, I do not support the government action in this case. But I also think that opposing the government's order with armed uprising is not the smartest idea. There are plenty of other ways to bring about the change that the Catalonians want, without resorting to shooting people. Even ETA, the IRA and FARC worked that out.

I don't agree with the speed limits on Swiss highways, nor the noise ordinances, but I'm not about to shoot up the police to display my disaffection.
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Old 02.10.2017, 15:48
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You mean, the place where people defied a government order and voted illegally?

Now, I do not support the government action in this case. But I also think that opposing the government's order with armed uprising is not the smartest idea. There are plenty of other ways to bring about the change that the Catalonians want, without resorting to shooting people. Even ETA, the IRA and FARC worked that out.

I don't agree with the speed limits on Swiss highways, nor the noise ordinances, but I'm not about to shoot up the police to display my disaffectation.
Missing the point. People say the Second Amendment is over 200 years old and has no relevance today. Spanish police were bashing heads yesterday for people having the temerity to turn up and vote. This is not how a "Free State" behaves.
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Old 02.10.2017, 15:48
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honestly marton, this is pretty low. A murderer happens to be white, so now he must be a terrorist and a Trump voter as well by default?

It seems like you're happy that he's of a particular skin color, which is plainly racist.
Let me educate you on Nevada law about the definition of a terrorist.

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NRS 202.4439  “Terrorist” defined.  
“Terrorist” means a person who intentionally commits, causes, aids, furthers or conceals an act of terrorism or attempts to commit, cause, aid, further or conceal an act of terrorism.

RS 202.4415  “Act of terrorism” defined.
1.  “Act of terrorism” means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:
(a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population; or
(b) Cause substantial destruction, contamination or impairment of:
(1) Any building or infrastructure, communications, transportation, utilities or services; or
(2) Any natural resource or the environment.
2.  As used in this section, “coercion” does not include an act of civil disobedience.
Since Trump was voted in by a majority then it is quite likely he is a Trump supporter?
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This is really sinister...

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A woman in the crowd at the Las Vegas music festival may have given a chilling warning to revellers about the massacre 45 minutes before it took place.
According to a witness identified as Brianna, the woman and her boyfriend had been escorted out of the venue after she pushed her way to the front row and told people they were "all going to die"
http://news.sky.com/story/las-vegas-...o-die-11064484
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Old 02.10.2017, 16:17
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Or she was some outspoken crackpot stating the obvious, because inarguably, we are indeed all going to die.
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Old 02.10.2017, 16:19
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Missing the point. People say the Second Amendment is over 200 years old and has no relevance today. Spanish police were bashing heads yesterday for people having the temerity to turn up and vote. This is not how a "Free State" behaves.
So it's not a free state. Does that justify murder of police, government officials or anybody else by unhappy citizens?
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Old 02.10.2017, 16:31
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So it's not a free state. Does that justify murder of police, government officials or anybody else by unhappy citizens?
If they're denying access to the polling booth by way of violence, yes.
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Old 02.10.2017, 16:51
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If they're denying access to the polling booth by way of violence, yes.
The on average very peaceful behaviour of the Catalans yesterday showed more strength and gave them more support among their own and internationally then any bullet ever could have provided.
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Old 02.10.2017, 16:56
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If they're denying access to the polling booth by way of violence, yes.
In a vote that was deemed illegal by Spanish law.
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Old 02.10.2017, 17:09
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Maybe the FBI were correct when they said this week that white terrorists are a bigger danger in the US than Islamist.
ISIS have just claimed responsibility.

But the gunman is still white.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7978941.html
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Old 02.10.2017, 17:12
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In a vote that was deemed illegal by Spanish law.
Everything is illegal if the State says it's illegal. They used to say the same thing in the former Eastern Bloc.
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Old 02.10.2017, 17:13
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ISIS have just claimed responsibility.

But the gunman is still white.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7978941.html
They'll claim responsibility for anything right now, seeing as they are losing left, right and centre in Iraq and Syria.
Maybe I should forward them my latest speeding fine from the Gendarmerie Vaudoise?
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Old 02.10.2017, 17:21
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They'll claim responsibility for anything right now, seeing as they are losing left, right and centre in Iraq and Syria.
Maybe I should forward them my latest speeding fine from the Gendarmerie Vaudoise?
They can have my last fine from Kantonspolizei Aargau as well. I'm sure they can spare 40 chuffs.

Reports are saying that 10 weapons were found in the room. Fortunately his weapons set off the fire alarm in his room which allowed the Police to quickly find him and shoot him.
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Old 02.10.2017, 17:30
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Everything is illegal if the State says it's illegal. They used to say the same thing in the former Eastern Bloc.
By the same token, can the Catalans claim that the vote was legal according to law, as it is written at the time?

It's a bit of a stretch to intimate that the Spanish made the vote illegal there and then, Eastern Bloc-stylie.
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ISIS have just claimed responsibility.
They'd claim a trapped rat that lot! It has as much potency as clicking 'like' on facebook.

Can just imagine them sitting around asking...
"Do we know him?"
"No. He's not on our email list, but claim it anyway."
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I read this and it very much has me intrigued.
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Since Trump was voted in by a majority then it is quite likely he is a Trump supporter?
Possibly, but many of the 60 something people here did not like him as a person. I knew many older people who have memories of the old Democratic party (called "Blue Dogs") which is long dead, and they still vote as such to their peril. In this case though, I think political affiliation is irrelevant.
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5 years ago, 28 people, 20 of them aged 6 and 7 died at the hands of Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook Elementary School. I remember watching Obama on TV wipe away his tears and beg Congress to make changes to gun laws.

I realise that nothing, nothing will ever separate Americans from their guns. Certainly not the tears of a president. Indeed, some reduce their cognitive dissonance, by claiming that Sandy Hook was a government sponsored hoax.

It doesn't matter how many people die, whether they are adult or children, black or white, nothing will ever change in the US.

This guy yesterday checked into a Las Vegas hotel, overlooking a gathering of 22,000 concert goers, with 10 rifles, at least some of them fully automatic, and with enough ammunition to set a new mass shooting record, 58 dead and 515 injured.

Next week it will be forgotten. After all, there will be 472 other mass shooting incidents, 64 school shootings and 14,000 other lives ended by bullets in the US this year.
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In a vote that was deemed illegal by Spanish law.
How is that even vaguely relevant?

The way it works is that you break the law, the cops arrest you, if you resist they can use proportionate force to take you into custody, then you get charged and the courts decide your guilt, and if convicted, the punishment.

What happened in Spain was that people broke the law and the cops beat the shit out if them. That is not the rule of law, that is oppression.

You really think the cops have carte blanche to deal with anyone who breaks the law? get a grip Paddy.
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