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A UK ban on automatic guns has saved tourists in Blackpool?
Nope. We got a handle on it after the first, and only, school mass shooting.

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Old 02.10.2017, 22:36
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Frankly I can't understand this passion for guns. And the thought that everybody and his dog can get one is scary.

Btw, forgive my ignorance, where is the deep red territory?
Here's the election map from 2004, which many pundits use as a rough gauge of red vs. blue states. Blue states are generally considered to be the northeast and the Pacific coast, with a few Midwestern states thrown in. Red is basically everywhere else, although there's been a slight shift in Colorado and New Mexico since 2004.

Deep red (in my very scientific opinion ) is everything in the south except Florida (tends to be a close vote between R and D for president), and a decent chunk of the old Wild West plus Alaska. Don't forget rogue Sarah Palin.

In recent years Colorado has voted more democratic at least in the highly populated areas, but the rural areas are very much Guns-n-Jesus freaks. Many of the people I grew up with bought more guns after Sandy Hook and several of them signed up for lifetime memberships with the NRA, convinced that Obama was going to take away all the guns.

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Old 02.10.2017, 22:43
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Here's the election map from 2004, which many pundits use as a rough gauge of red vs. blue states. Blue states are generally considered to be the northeast and the Pacific coast, with a few Midwestern states thrown in. Red is basically everywhere else, although there's been a slight shift in Colorado and New Mexico since 2004.
Ironically, all the gun owners that I know are in the blue states.

(PA, NY, NJ, CT, MA, RI, VT, NH, ME).

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Old 02.10.2017, 22:49
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I do not think automatic guns make a difference to somebody so derranged and hooked on the idea of revenge.
An automatic rifle can empty a 30 round magazine in 2 seconds.

All he had to do was point in the general direction and keep changing magazines, and occasionally switch rifles when they got too hot.

In this mass shooting, semi-automatic firearms would have resulted in far fewer (still many!) casualties than automatics.
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Old 02.10.2017, 23:15
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My sister worked with the woman who died in her husband's arms. They were an extremely happy couple and now....
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An automatic rifle can empty a 30 round magazine in 2 seconds.

All he had to do was point in the general direction and keep changing magazines, and occasionally switch rifles when they got too hot.

In this mass shooting, semi-automatic firearms would have resulted in far fewer (still many!) casualties than automatics.

At that distance, you can't really aim anymore with an automatic - although the Sheriff said he had built some kind of gun pod to take a more accurate aim.

If he was really a sniper, he could have killed much more people with a sniper-rifle - and the smoke alarm in his room wouldn't have went off so fast, so he'd been able to do that for quite some time.

This could have been so much worse.

I know it's cynic, but I really hope there were some politicians in the crowd.

Having had gunshots from automatic rifles and ricochets zip around their ears, left and right, would probably make them better thinkers the next time this topic comes up for a vote.
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Old 03.10.2017, 00:45
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Hotels aren't airports. You can wheel in whatever you want from the underground parking lot, or the front entrance, so long as it's in a duffle bag or suitcase, no one's none the wiser. Remember the scene in Ocean Eleven? Also, weapons can be disassembled for maintenance and easier transport. There's nothing surprising about someone bringing stuff unbeknown to staff, it happens every day in every hotel in the world. I wouldn't focus too much on that bit.
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So he could simply walk into the hotel with one or more guns in his arms, why do you complicate this
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So he could simply walk into the hotel with one or more guns in his arms, why do you complicate this
Not overcomplicating, just avoiding your erroneous simplification. LV isn't the Wild West of 150 years ago.

If the Deep State decides to use this incident to call for scanning all hotel guests' luggage, that would be yet another step in a very bad direction. Not that that seems on the cards...

Music festivals in urban areas however have a lot to worry about after last night. The security and cost implication could be huge. To say nothing of your average beerfest.
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Music festivals in urban areas however have a lot to worry about after last night. The security and cost implication could be huge. To say nothing of your average beerfest.
The Stones gig two weeks ago had security people on the roof of Letzigrund stadium, all rucksacs and handbags bigger than A4 had to be stored in lockers, and everyone I saw going in had their handbags searched and were frisked. Also, the roads bordering the venue were closed to through traffic.

I can't imagine any measures that could have been taken to protect the people at the Vegas festival, other than using a venue further out of town where there's less chance of being overlooked.
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So what the State said is illegal, so let's hold a vote they were warned was illegal, and setup our own State? Great logic there. The Catalonian government should be dissolved by Madrid for acts of treason. This isn't a Communist country, and the police were driven to act this hard because of the other side. Don't try and paint this as freedom fighting.


Meanwhile, I'm having serious doubts that this shooting in LV is the act of a single person, especially from that height, at night. It's going to be a few days to piece together how this all happened, and even then we may never know the truth.

And for those supposing a Trump voter, may I remind you of the political leanings of the person who shot members of Congress this summer? And the litany of supposed Islamophobic (aka a fake term) or racist acts claimed by the Left since Trump won the elections and that proved to be a hoax? The violence is nearly entirely on the Left's side right now. Don't delude yourselves on this.
I agree with you but I am too physically sick about this to think much about it in terms of debunking. I've been to LV three times in the past two years, I drove past MB in April but I do not usually go there because it I feel it is too out of the way without a car (I usually do not have a car when there but in April I drove to Zion park). Just, wow. I am afraid this is just the beginning.
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I do not think automatic guns make a difference to somebody so derranged and hooked on the idea of revenge. My thought is coming from somebody having operated machine guns before she turned 10. It is not hard to get them anywhere but people just don't do it. I think the reform in a society will have to be deeper than some legal bans. Look here, for example. Guns everywhere, people have good knowledge to use them but don't. They are humane, responsible with it and wise. It is a responsibility. Something that guy obviously interpreted in a different way. I do not think automatic guns should be legal. On the other hand, only introducing bans has never worked, either.
In a different context I might agree with you, but in this case I think a ban would be in order. You don't wait to change the culture because it might take decades, you have to give the strongest signal. They really crossed that line when one would think it could be repairable - smoothly.. Too many innocent victims are dying because people with the IQ of a spoon are getting their hands on guns way, way too easily. I have nothing against hunting clubs and shooting sport clubs, but that's different.
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Meanwhile in London, where guns are banned:

Gun crime in London increases by 42%
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I can't imagine any measures that could have been taken to protect the people at the Vegas festival, other than using a venue further out of town where there's less chance of being overlooked.
But more chance of getting a bomb in. Best just to ban music concerts.
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Old 03.10.2017, 09:12
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Not overcomplicating, just avoiding your erroneous simplification. LV isn't the Wild West of 150 years ago.

If the Deep State decides to use this incident to call for scanning all hotel guests' luggage, that would be yet another step in a very bad direction. Not that that seems on the cards...

Music festivals in urban areas however have a lot to worry about after last night. The security and cost implication could be huge. To say nothing of your average beerfest.
"Not overcomplicating, just avoiding your erroneous simplification." Are you denying that Las Vegas has no laws against "open carry"

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Nevada does not prohibit the transfer or possession of assault weapons, 50 caliber rifles or large capacity ammunition magazines.
Local law enforcement issues concealed handgun licenses.
Open carry is legal without a permit.
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Just do a google search of "open carry Las Vegas" and look at the images!
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Old 03.10.2017, 09:23
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Here's the election map from 2004, which many pundits use as a rough gauge of red vs. blue states. Blue states are generally considered to be the northeast and the Pacific coast, with a few Midwestern states thrown in. Red is basically everywhere else, although there's been a slight shift in Colorado and New Mexico since 2004.

Deep red (in my very scientific opinion ) is everything in the south except Florida (tends to be a close vote between R and D for president), and a decent chunk of the old Wild West plus Alaska. Don't forget rogue Sarah Palin.

In recent years Colorado has voted more democratic at least in the highly populated areas, but the rural areas are very much Guns-n-Jesus freaks. Many of the people I grew up with bought more guns after Sandy Hook and several of them signed up for lifetime memberships with the NRA, convinced that Obama was going to take away all the guns.

Oh my, thank you 3Wishes. I thought the red states were in the South only. I have some relatives and friends in NY (the state but also the city), California and Seattle - Washington. I'm glad they're living in the blue ones.
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Americans are going to have guns. Personally, I think it’s stupid, but my extended family in the US include hunters and 2nd Ammendment fanatics. Except they are seriously responsible about guns and ammo. So far, anyway.


Still, limiting guns in the US will have to be by weakening the gun lobby. I honestly believe that’s the only thing that will work. The probability of that in the near future is almost zero.



My lack of respect for the current President is well known. He gave a reasonable speech yesterday. He read the teleprompter well. And then CNN says it was pitch perfect and unifying.

How low our standards have become.
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Oh my, thank you 3Wishes. I thought the red states were in the South only. I have some relatives and friends in NY (the state but also the city), California and Seattle - Washington. I'm glad they're living in the blue ones.
Why?

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The Stones gig two weeks ago had security people on the roof of Letzigrund stadium, all rucksacs and handbags bigger than A4 had to be stored in lockers, and everyone I saw going in had their handbags searched and were frisked. Also, the roads bordering the venue were closed to through traffic.
Wow, I never realized they put so much effort into security here (security on the roofs - was it police? Armed?).

I had my handbag checked at Musikfestwochen in Winterthur when entering the area. And thought it was weird
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Sigh. Some people have too much time on their hands.

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Sigh. Some people have too much time on their hands.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesth...7y#.jfG74kbkvx
Johnny Sins apparently being a porn star, he could have loads of offsprings

The only thing twitter really achieved is that we now know there are a lot more nutters in the world than we thought.

Maybe one of the first questions we should ask when meeting someone nowadays should be: "Do you have a twitter account?"
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