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OK, putting my "thinking like Bud from Montana" hat on for a moment: isn't it funny how the target for this particular attack happens to be exactly the same demographic that is probably quite fond of guns? I mean, I shouldn't imagine the crowd at a country and western music festival in Nevada is likely to consist mainly of wet coastal lefties, do you?

Bud from Montana is already beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate attempt by the Deep State to shake up the pro-second amendment crowd: "Look, even you can be shot at. No, nobody was able to defend himself because the bad man had an automatic weapon and was up in a hotel room half a mile away. And he owned them all legally! See? Even your guns can't save you. Why don't you hand them in?"

Bud is wondering if the guy in all the photographs was actually guilty of the crime at all: he seemed to live a good life, gambling, hunting, living in several houses. Funny how he was already dead by the time the police found him in his hotel room. What was in it for him?

Bud is going to go out now and buy a couple more guns and quite a lot more ammunition before they stop selling them at all.

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You might be onto something, Bud...

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us...rnd/index.html
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Old 03.10.2017, 15:06
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It's not irrelevant, mass shootings happen more often in the US than in other countries. I don't believe the reason for this is limited to the availability of guns.
it does seem ridiculously easy to buy a gun in some states of the USA, this guy bought some of his guns from a shop called "guns and guitars" not sure russia and the middle east you can just walk into a walmart and buy a semi auto rifle (wink wink of course you can make it full auto) an unlimited amount of ammo and extra large mag's with absolutely zero checks on who or what you are.
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Old 03.10.2017, 15:09
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I could have solved our mouse problem without even getting out of bed!
Now you're thinking like an American
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It's not irrelevant, mass shootings happen more often in the US than in other countries. I don't believe the reason for this is limited to the availability of guns.
Sure. But you won't even accept that free availability of guns could be a factor in the high incidence of mass shootings.*




*And it's really not that hard to understand. To shoot lots of people, many times, you need lots of guns and ammunition. If they're freely available, the opportunity to shoot many people, many times, is much greater than if it's very hard to get your hands on guns and ammunition. Do you see that?
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Old 03.10.2017, 15:51
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You might be onto something, Bud...

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us...rnd/index.html
What, that because his brother said he wasn't the sort of person to do it so he couldn't have done it?

Perhaps he took after his father - he had been on the FBI's most wanted list and an armed bank robber?
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What, that because his brother said he wasn't the sort of person to do it so he couldn't have done it?

Perhaps he took after his father - he had been on the FBI's most wanted list and an armed bank robber?

Bud and me were speculating, don't take us so seriously.. But yeah, he seemed "benign", as other people have noticed. I know, I know, not an argument so let's drop it and let the police, FBI etc do their job.
Anyway, it's not that bad a thing when people don't accept the official version immediately..
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Bud is wondering if the guy in all the photographs was actually guilty of the crime at all: he seemed to live a good life, gambling, hunting, living in several houses. Funny how he was already dead by the time the police found him in his hotel room. What was in it for him?
Bud's been reading the same James Ellroy novels I have. The more we're told "there's nothing to see here", the more we look for clues.

Shares in gun manufacturing companies rose in the hours following the Vegas massacre. That says it all...

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It's not irrelevant, mass shootings happen more often in the US than in other countries. I don't believe the reason for this is limited to the availability of guns.
Come on Einstein! Enlighten us. What do you believe?
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Sure. But you won't even accept that free availability of guns could be a factor in the high incidence of mass shootings.*




*And it's really not that hard to understand. To shoot lots of people, many times, you need lots of guns and ammunition. If they're freely available, the opportunity to shoot many people, many times, is much greater than if it's very hard to get your hands on guns and ammunition. Do you see that?
Yes, it's a factor. But equally if there are other countries where guns and ammunition are freely available and where there aren't mass shootings, does that not indicate this isn't exclusively a gun problem. Do you see that?

Let's look at it another way. Muslims have been responsible for pretty much every mass killing in Europe over the past few years. Islam is clearly a factor. Is the answer to preventing terrorist attacks to ban Muslims?
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Come on Einstein! Enlighten us. What do you believe?
Cultural innit.
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Old 03.10.2017, 16:44
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Yes, it's a factor. But equally if there are other countries where guns and ammunition are freely available and where there aren't mass shootings, does that not indicate this isn't exclusively a gun problem. Do you see that?

Let's look at it another way. Muslims have been responsible for pretty much every mass killing in Europe over the past few years. Islam is clearly a factor. Is the answer to preventing terrorist attacks to ban Muslims?
no one in the USA (police etc aside) NEEDS a gun, the wild west days are long gone
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Yes, it's a factor. But equally if there are other countries where guns and ammunition are freely available and where there aren't mass shootings, does that not indicate this isn't exclusively a gun problem. Do you see that?
Of course, so since Americans are inherently unstable and prone to go postal, they should not have free access to such weaponry.
When a Brit is unfairly dismissed etc, he might drink another cup of tea, shove dogsh1t through his boss' door, or even post something damaging on social media, whereas in the US, he goes to the nearest gunshop, buys a gun and shoots his former employer and colleagues.
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Let's look at it another way. Muslims have been responsible for pretty much every mass killing in Europe over the past few years. Islam is clearly a factor. Is the answer to preventing terrorist attacks to ban Muslims?



Shoehorned that one in before long :-D
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no one in the USA (police etc aside) NEEDS a gun, the wild west days are long gone
True, but many people take it as their God given right to protect the homestead.
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I don't understand this "You have to be American or live in America to understand why guns have a place"?
(which comes up regularly on this thread - the last time bu 3Wishes yesterday).

That would be like saying that if I go to live in Saudi Arabia for a few months, I'd get to appreciate a good public beheading as a great family day out.

Well Mrs. 3Wishes and others, I hate to put this to you but I know a lot of Americans who thinks gun control should be much more tightly regulated.
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...the wild west days are long gone
but the mentality remains
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Yes, it's a factor. But equally if there are other countries where guns and ammunition are freely available and where there aren't mass shootings, does that not indicate this isn't exclusively a gun problem. Do you see that?

Let's look at it another way. Muslims have been responsible for pretty much every mass killing in Europe over the past few years. Islam is clearly a factor. Is the answer to preventing terrorist attacks to ban Muslims?
So what is the factor in the US apart from the generally easy availability of unneeded weapons with few checks? And why was Islam not such a factor in Europe until relatively recently?
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So what is the factor in the US apart from the generally easy availability of unneeded weapons with few checks? And why was Islam not such a factor in Europe until relatively recently?


Joe, youre wasting your time. When Loz is concerned, Islam is the root of all evil. Second comes the EU.


The truth is, the US has a toxic cocktail of gun fetishisation as well as easy availability. Their whole culture glorified (and still glorifies) guns to the point where reasonable men could settle petty differences by shooting each other at noon.


They convince themseves they need the guns in case the 'Gubbermint' comes to imprison them all. They tell themselves and each other that shooting a man is a valid response to a slight, imagined or not.


The fetishisation has got to such a point, that a lot of americans, when things get tough, reach for 3 things; the bible, the bottle, or the rifle.


Other countries have gun laws equally lax, but they dont have the same phallic fetish that american culture has, for actually using those guns against people.
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I don't understand this "You have to be American or live in America to understand why guns have a place"?
(which comes up regularly on this thread - the last time bu 3Wishes yesterday).

That would be like saying that if I go to live in Saudi Arabia for a few months, I'd get to appreciate a good public beheading as a great family day out.

Well Mrs. 3Wishes and others, I hate to put this to you but I know a lot of Americans who thinks gun control should be much more tightly regulated.
I missed that one. I’m an American. I have lots of relatives who are gun owners. I think they’re mostly f***ed in the head.

Having said that, there are many, many gun owners who advocate for and believe in education and regulation of gun owners and their guns.

But the easy availability and proliferation is less about some hackneyed concept of personal freedom. It’s money! The gun lobby owns huge swaths of congress and they in turn work for gun manufacturers, giving not a crap about consumers, except to manipulate their ideas of freedom to buy ever more guns.
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simple solution

Guns - Totally legal, no limits, anything goes

Bullets - Totally illegal, anyone caught with live ammo is thrown in prison for 20 years, everyone wins.
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Of course, so since Americans are inherently unstable and prone to go postal, they should not have free access to such weaponry.
When a Brit is unfairly dismissed etc, he might drink another cup of tea, shove dogsh1t through his boss' door, or even post something damaging on social media, whereas in the US, he goes to the nearest gunshop, buys a gun and shoots his former employer and colleagues.
In the end, mass shootings aren't really that big an issue in the US, especially when compared to the number of gun related deaths that take place day in day out across the country. It's certainly not on the same threat level as terrorism across Europe at the moment. What mass shootings like this do is shock and appall the public whilst raising awareness of the ongoing gun law saga in the US. Sure, you could ban automatic weapons and maybe you can prevent an attack of this type from happening again, but people have been climbing buildings and shooting members of the public in the US for years.

What a gun ban almost certainly wouldn't do is have a big impact on the violent crime statistics and the number of day to day murders that take place across the country. And this is the real problem. Look at London, it has become the stab capital of the world. Police made a big crackdown on knives last year, seizing thousands of them. And people are still getting stabbed, but now they've started hurling acid at one another too. Amber Rudd announced today there will be a ban on acid sales. This won't work either. Acid and knives aren't the problem, it's the feral gangs which are allowed to roam the streets. But no one wants to tackle the real issue, it's far easier just to ban everything.
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