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Old 03.10.2017, 17:14
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Yes, it's a factor. But equally if there are other countries where guns and ammunition are freely available and where there aren't mass shootings, does that not indicate this isn't exclusively a gun problem. Do you see that?
Yes, I see that it's not exclusively a gun problem. But if guns are used in a shooting (and that's the case, 100% of the time), then guns are fairly strongly correlated with (and implicated in) shootings, don't you think? The availability of guns is not the only factor in the incidence of mass (or any other) killings, but it's an important factor and more importantly, one that can be controlled -- given the political will. And therein lies the problem.

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Muslims have been responsible for pretty much every mass killing in Europe over the past few years. Islam is clearly a factor.
Source, please.
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Old 03.10.2017, 17:15
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What a gun ban almost certainly wouldn't do is have a big impact on the violent crime statistics and the number of day to day murders that take place across the country. And this is the real problem. Look at London, it has become the stab capital of the world. Police made a big crackdown on knives last year, seizing thousands of them. And people are still getting stabbed, but now they've started hurling acid at one another too. Amber Rudd announced today there will be a ban on acid sales. This won't work either. Acid and knives aren't the problem, it's the feral gangs which are allowed to roam the streets. But no one wants to tackle the real issue, it's far easier just to ban everything.
because mostly its gang on gang violence and the UK general public couldn't give a toss if one gang member blinds another gang member, or one gang member stabs another gang member.

It only really hits the headlines and gets laws made when they start doing it to 'innocents'
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Equate knife crime with gun crime - Check
Claim reducing guns wouldnt prevent gun deaths - Check
Claim gun crime is not a big issue, the day after yet another massacre - Check
Claim the number of 'good' gun owners outnumber the bad - Check
Claim americans would shoot each other just as much if cun laws were enforced - Check
Claim Gun laws would affect violent crime as a whole - Check
Deflect attention to other cities - Check


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In the end, mass shootings aren't really that big an issue in the US, especially when compared to the number of gun related deaths that take place day in day out across the country. It's certainly not on the same threat level as terrorism across Europe at the moment.

What are you using as a comparison?

For example, there have been more than 200 instances in 2017 where 4 people or more have been shot in the US. Since Sandy Hook, there have been at least 1500 mass shootings in the US.

How many terror attacks in Europe. How do you assess the threat.

As far as i’m concerned, mass shootings in the US are terrorism too. What’s the difference between an angry guy with a truck and an angry guy with an automatic rifle....
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Old 03.10.2017, 17:23
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Islam is the root of all evil. Second comes the EU.
Agreed.

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This won't work either. Acid and knives aren't the problem, it's the feral gangs which are allowed to roam the streets. But no one wants to tackle the real issue, it's far easier just to ban everything.
The real issue being...?

In the reports yesterday, there was mention that hotel room doors in Vegas are often wood covered steel set in steel reinforced frames, because so many people have large amounts of cash in their rooms. It reminded me of the visa entry regulations to enter the US if you're ESTA application is rejected. I've known of people being granted 10yr visas even though they have convictions for GBH and ABH, but if you have a conviction for fraud, forget it. US law is far more about protecting money and goods than people.
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What are you using as a comparison?

For example, there have been more than 200 instances in 2017 where 4 people or more have been shot in the US. Since Sandy Hook, there have been at least 1500 mass shootings in the US.

How many terror attacks in Europe. How do you assess the threat.

As far as iím concerned, mass shootings in the US are terrorism too. Whatís the difference between an angry guy with a truck and an angry guy with an automatic rifle....


Well, if one of them are brown, its entirely different.
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Old 03.10.2017, 17:28
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Well, if one of them are brown, its entirely different.
no, it's when they scream Allahu Akbar and pledge allegiance to ISIS that we know there's a correlation.

are you racist or something?
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Then perhaps you might explain how, when it transpired that his girlfriend was indonesian, people believed that he too was of the same ilk, despite not shouting anything or adhering allegiance to anyone?
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Old 03.10.2017, 17:33
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Then perhaps you might explain how, when it transpired that his girlfriend was indonesian, people believed that he too was of the same ilk, despite not shouting anything or adhering allegiance to anyone?
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Who are these 'people' that you are talking about?

They thought he was Indonesian? He didn't look like an Indonesian to me, but hey it's modern times - maybe he was born and raised there as a white guy.

What does this have to do with anything?
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Old 03.10.2017, 17:34
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What are you using as a comparison?

For example, there have been more than 200 instances in 2017 where 4 people or more have been shot in the US. Since Sandy Hook, there have been at least 1500 mass shootings in the US.

How many terror attacks in Europe. How do you assess the threat.

As far as iím concerned, mass shootings in the US are terrorism too. Whatís the difference between an angry guy with a truck and an angry guy with an automatic rifle....
Mass shooting as in gunman indiscriminately targeting members of the public. Not some gang shooting or turf war though thatís left 6 blokes dead.
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Old 03.10.2017, 17:35
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They thought he was Indonesian? He didn't look like an Indonesian to me, but hey it's modern times - maybe he was born and raised there as a white guy.

What does this have to do with anything?
Evidently you're unaware that of all the countries in the world, Indonesia has the largest number of Muslim adherents. That's the ilk to which J2488 refers.
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Old 03.10.2017, 17:42
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I think you gotta live in America or be American where you're gonna learn their language if you wanna talk for the Americans and tell them how to run their country. In fact even then you can't if you're not American but that seems to be difficult to grasp for some. And not only concerning America.

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They thought he was Indonesian? He didn't look like an Indonesian to me, but hey it's modern times - maybe he was born and raised there as a white guy.
Sort of like Barak Obama, then.

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Old 03.10.2017, 17:44
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Evidently you're unaware that of all the countries in the world, Indonesia has the largest number of Muslim adherents. That's the ilk to which J2488 refers.
Of course. We are all dumb in the US. Everyone knows the only bad muslims come from Iran and stuff. The bible says so.
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

says it all

"when a 64 year old man kills 58 and wounds 500 in fifteen minutes from 1200 feet with a knife I will absolutely call for knife control. Until then, you've made the worlds shittiest point"
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Sort of like Barak Obama, then.

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Barak HUSSEIN Obama...


its important to get that moozlim sounding middle name in there.
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says it all

"when a 64 year old man kills 58 and wounds 500 in fifteen minutes from 1200 feet with a knife I will absolutely call for knife control. Until then, you've made the worlds shittiest point"
It astounds me that people actually think gun crime and knife crime are as damaging as each other.
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Old 03.10.2017, 17:55
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Of course. We are all dumb in the US. Everyone knows the only bad muslims come from Iran and stuff. The bible says so.
pilatus1 is American?
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Latest speculation is that he wasn't using an automatic rifle, rather a belt-fed machine gun (due to the number of shots heard without a break in the audio).

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