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Lol.

Lone Muslim nutter: "Allahu akbar!" BOOM!

Chorus: "Not all Muslims..."

Lone gun nut: "Yee-haw!" CHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKA...

Chorus: "Yes, all gun owners..."
Nobody has suggested that all gun-owners are potential murderers (and I doubt that anyone truly believes that of all Muslims).

It's an odd comparison you're attempting to draw here.
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Nobody has suggested that all gun-owners are potential murderers (and I doubt that anyone truly believes that of all Muslims).

It's an odd comparison you're attempting to draw here.
Just enjoying the left and right taking it in turns to draw enormous conclusions from the acts of deranged individuals.

America isn't going to regulate gun ownership. It simply isn't going to happen. Someone could shoot up the NRA's AGM and it still wouldn't happen, any more than all the Muslims will be expelled from Europe.

It's all just feel good hot air.
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Old 04.10.2017, 14:12
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Just enjoying the left and right taking it in turns to draw enormous conclusions from the acts of deranged individuals.

America isn't going to regulate gun ownership. It simply isn't going to happen. Someone could shoot up the NRA's AGM and it still wouldn't happen, any more than all the Muslims will be expelled from Europe.

It's all just feel good hot air.
what if a muslim shoots up the NRA agm?

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Old 04.10.2017, 14:23
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Guns don't exactly have an expiry date on them, and if properly maintained keep going for dozens hundreds of years.
FTFY.

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Old 04.10.2017, 14:23
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Yes, but proportionally very few guns are maintained to such a high standard, and fewer still illegal guns.


Perhaps it will take some time before the supply of illegal guns is affected, but that countdown (which i suspect is not decades and decades) can only start when the legal>illegal flow is tempered.
The longer you wait to do that, the longer the lag perid becomes.
well if guns are banned then it stands to reason ammo will also be banned, and that will have a shelf life, bob's your uncle only really committed criminals will bother with the risks of getting it / making it.

I guess for anything like that to work you would need a buy back type scheme so owners have an incentive to hand them over rather then sell onto the black market, the costs involved would make it unpalatable for any politician wanting to keep their seat
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Old 04.10.2017, 14:26
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Lol.

Lone Muslim nutter: "Allahu akbar!" BOOM!

Chorus: "Not all Muslims..."

Lone gun nut: "Yee-haw!" CHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKA...

Chorus: "Yes, all gun owners..."
I agree..the double standards make no sense. But since when did political reasoning make logical sense.

I think there will be an attitude adjustment, as there was to booze, but it will take for ever. In the mean time people will chant illogical arguments. I do not think that in heated political times, somebody will volunteer to challenge pretty ingrained traditions, impose security screening in hotels, etc. People can, of course, keep virtue signalling.
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Old 04.10.2017, 14:40
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a simple question for the pro gun lobby

Why does anyone 'need' a semi auto rifle?

I get that people like to hunt, and for that you need a rifle - all good, you don't need more then 6 bullets in a mag to hunt.

Farmers 'need' shotguns - I can see that argument, plus clay pigeon shooting is fun, and again for hunting, but you don't need more then a couple of cartridges.

home protection - ok a small caliber hand gun will do the trick, again, 6 bullets will more then do the job if someone breaks into your house.

everything else is just willy waving.

worst case ban selling anymore to the public, current stay legal but must be registered and kept at gun clubs and re-sale is illegal (so when the current owner dies the gun is destroyed), or is that too sensible?
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Lone gun nut: "Yee-haw!" CHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKACHAKA...

Chorus: "Yes, all gun owners..."
Don't agree with you at all there for one very simple reason. Gun ownership in the US isn't exclusive to Republicans by a very long way.

One of my closest friends is a Democrat. He also owns approx. 200 guns and dog knows how much ammo. He's an ex cop. He's worked in close personal protection. He's worked with some manufacturers testing prototypes. He trains people in how to use guns for personal defence.

I also know of someone who was a reviewer for a gun magazine in the UK despite having a history of diagnosed depression.

Personally, my dad took me shooting from being 7yrs old. I'm a decent shot. Not wonderful, but decent.

My personal belief is the Second Amendment is all well and good regarding single shot weapons. However, there should be addendums to it regarding semi and automatic weapons. Nobody should be able to buy a gun until they've successfully passed a compentency course. Gun licences should be suspended and weapons and ammo surrendered if a person is involved in criminal activity, threatening behaviour, or deemed to be suffering from a medically diagnosed condition that could affect their judgement.

Mind you, I also believe that if you lose you driving licence for 2yrs, your car should be impounded too for that time.
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Old 04.10.2017, 14:43
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well if guns are banned then it stands to reason ammo will also be banned, and that will have a shelf life, bob's your uncle only really committed criminals will bother with the risks of getting it / making it.
I have an old 78rpm grammophone player. They stopped making the needles about 60 years ago but you can still buy mint ones on Ebay for reasonable prices. And as these are needles you can use just once and then toss so you might think the world is running out fast if it hasn't already done so. They were just produced and sold on such a scale that they're still not a rarity yet.
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Old 04.10.2017, 14:45
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I have an old 78rpm grammophone player. They stopped making the needles about 60 years ago but you can still buy mint ones on Ebay for reasonable prices. And as these are needles you can use just once and then toss so you might think the world is running out fast if it hasn't already done so. They were just produced and sold on such a scale that they're still not a rarity yet.
they don't contain chemicals that break down though, do they?
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I have an old 78rpm grammophone player. They stopped making the needles about 60 years ago but you can still buy mint ones on Ebay for reasonable prices. And as these are needles you can use just once and then toss so you might think the world is running out fast if it hasn't already done so. They were just produced and sold on such a scale that they're still not a rarity yet.
And the age of the 3D printer is arriving very fast. Manufacturing your own bullets will be so much easier... And I have contacts who reuse the cartridges and just remake their bullets, so ecofriendly of them. And they vote Dem. Notice how many people here roll their own cigarettes, for those who smoke? It wouldn't take too much fiddling with legislation for gun clubs to start showing people what to do to make their own, so then it's a gunpowder issue. And then a sulfur issue, and then on and on.
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a simple question for the pro gun lobby
Anyone on here even from the "pro gun lobby"
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Why does anyone 'need' a semi auto rifle?
a) you are hunting, and the first shot only wounds, and you don't have time to cock it (Winchester) or operate the bolt (bolt action), or pump (shotgun)

b) you are two lazy to cock it or work the bolt or the pump

c) same reasons that most people prefer semi-automatic pistols to single action revolvers

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P.S. You do realize the semi-automatics fire only once each time you pull and hold the trigger, right?
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Old 04.10.2017, 14:53
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I agree..the double standards make no sense. But since when did political reasoning make logical sense.

I think there will be an attitude adjustment, as there was to booze, but it will take for ever. In the mean time people will chant illogical arguments. I do not think that in heated political times, somebody will volunteer to challenge pretty ingrained traditions, impose security screening in hotels, etc. People can, of course, keep virtue signalling.
Tempting as it might be to jump on the gleeful "ooh, I can throw around the virtue-signalling accusations around again on the forum!", if you take the time to read the majority of the posts, the general sentiment is simply for common sense to prevail and to tighten up gun ownership. But if you think that people with diagnosed serious mental health problems are ok to keep an arsenal of 100 semi automatic rifles and several cases of ammo in their cellar then I guess there's no reasoning with you.

Same old, same old...
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Old 04.10.2017, 14:54
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And the age of the 3D printer is arriving very fast. Manufacturing your own bullets will be so much easier... And I have contacts who reuse the cartridges and just remake their bullets, so ecofriendly of them. And they vote Dem. Notice how many people here roll their own cigarettes, for those who smoke? It wouldn't take too much fiddling with legislation for gun clubs to start showing people what to do to make their own, so then it's a gunpowder issue. And then a sulfur issue, and then on and on.
And then wait to hear stories about people injuring or killing themselves trying to improve their gunpowder recipes, and there will be calls for the government to reallow official sales.
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Nobody should be able to buy a gun until they've successfully passed a compentency course. Gun licences should be suspended and weapons and ammo surrendered if a person is involved in criminal activity, threatening behaviour, or deemed to be suffering from a medically diagnosed condition that could affect their judgement.
That's a lot of prescription. I do think there is an element of "where is a will, there is a way". There will always be a way, unfortunately, for some creatures. Whether we ban guns, butter knives, knitting needles or vans, or test pilots for depression.

None of that has anything to do with how good of a shot one is. I ace any targets, it is scary. Don't care for owning gun at any point. I trained mechanical crossbow with cops, it was the most interesting.

I have a feeling that the UK gun control is easier, on an island. As is for rabies (for most parts).
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they don't contain chemicals that break down though, do they?
Isn't that also a question of storing them properly?
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Isn't that also a question of storing them properly?
Not always.

There are plenty of instances of WW2 (or even WW1) munitions and bombs still being active or even exploding when accidentally being dug up after sitting in the ground all those decades.

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None of that has anything to do with how good of a shot one is. I ace any targets, it is scary. Don't care for owning gun at any point. I trained mechanical crossbow with cops, it was the most interesting.

I have a feeling that the UK gun control is easier, on an island. As is for rabies.
Not at all. Former housemate was arrested on suspicion of gun running for the IRA back in the mid 80's, on his father's fishing boat from northern Spain to Eire. Gun running relies on quantity to make it profitable. Also at that time, I was with a recently separated friend when someone offered to dispose of her ex for £500 with a crossbow. It used to be known as 'death by syth'. Personally, I don't like handling crossbows.
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Isn't that also a question of storing them properly?
I wish somebody had banned WWII arsenal before they used some of it. People still keep finding well stored ammo they did not know about. Usually water wells. No chimnies. Any more.

That said, I thought every kid fiddles with home made explosives and slingshots.. Thugs.
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