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Impossible to implement. There would be riots, standoffs, sieges. Old guns would not be melted down into monopoly pieces - rather old monopoly pieces would be melted down into bullets.


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If only the Zulus would have had more pens...

Anyhow, the pen is merely an extension from cavemen drawing on walls. Hardly a piece of engineering with a new use.
?? they did pretty well with just their spears, against guns

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Isandlwana
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Your ignorance, in all it's glory.

It's hard to name another piece of machinery that has had more influence in shaping the world we live in today.
The Wheel.
The Crane.
The Pulley.
The internal combustion engine.
The Lime Kiln


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again, doesn't make it a feat of engineering
You're a car buff aren't you? So let's look at it from a technical point of view. Would you say the Austin Metro is a feat of engineering? Would you say the Bugatti Veyron is a feat of engineering? My guess is you'd say that the metro isn't, but the Veyron is. Both are cars and I think we can agree the the car is a feat of engineering.

Guns are the same. They went from early muzzle loading muskets, to breach loading rifles, the addition of rifling, automatic reloading, rapid fire... all feats in the development of the gun. Even now to manufacture a good working weapon is not an easy thing to do. Managing the heat, recoil, cadence, accuracy etc. all while making sure it doesn't jam or stop functioning when required requires engineering. Have a look at how many engineers work for Rheinmetall/Oerlikon here if you don't believe me.
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no they wouldn't, I remember gun club members in the uk back in the 90's saying such rubbish, the vast majority of people are law abiding, you'll never stop criminals who want them getting guns, but simple control would have meant this massacre never happened, or most of the massacres in recent history.

you really think john doe accountant would risk a criminal record, prison, losing his job just because he fancies owning an illegal firearm? one he'll never be able to show anyone, or shoot anywhere???
John Doe accountant probably not. But John Doe accountant isn't likely to go out and start shooting random people. Remember, it only takes one.
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John Doe accountant probably not. But John Doe accountant isn't likely to go out and start shooting random people. Remember, it only takes one.
Joh Doe retired Accountant just did.


Were you not paying attention?
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Old 05.10.2017, 14:55
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John Doe accountant probably not. But John Doe accountant isn't likely to go out and start shooting random people. Remember, it only takes one.
Remind me, what was the profession of the Las Vegas shooter again?

Aaaahhh, you make it so easy.
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Just testing the waters here.

If we could broker a deal.

The right stops trying to control abortion.
The left stops trying to control guns.

No ifs and buts.
Freedom wins both ways, right?

Would you sign up for it?

The political parties wouldn't of course, because both topics are enormous vote winners and its very easy to push the right buttons, get people emotional and angry and they vote for you blindly, ignoring all the other evil stuff you want to do.

But suppose we took those buttons away from them.
Or you could all become libertarian and stop trying to control people
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Old 05.10.2017, 14:56
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Remind me, what was the profession of the Las Vegas shooter again?

Aaaahhh, you make it so easy.
Accountants don't kill people.
People with accountants kill people.
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Well done on dodging the question.
The question wasn't directed at me, but if you want my answer: a ban on the sale, purchase, and possession of guns would not prevent people from killing people with guns - on the contrary, there would be immediate violence and social unrest the scale of which has not been seen since the US civil war. Afterwards, when the US gov't pries the guns out of the owners' cold dead hands, there wouldn't be much of a society left to govern.
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Old 05.10.2017, 15:08
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If the weapons had been left as semi-automatic, would the number of fatalities been higher even though fewer bullets were fired? Hate to be morbid, but my ex father-in-law had 1,000 and 2,000 yard sniper 'awards' from his time in the army, so am I right to believe someone more accustomed to shooting would have had a far higher hit rate in the same scenario?
A bullet leaves the Swiss army rifle's muzzle with a speed of about 900m/sec, this seems to be typical for modern rifles. So in LV (400m distance) it took 0.3-0.4secs for the bullet to hit. In that time someone running at 15km/h (perhaps a bit slow for panic mode) moves by 1.5m or so.
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Joh Doe retired Accountant just did.


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Remind me, what was the profession of the Las Vegas shooter again?

Aaaahhh, you make it so easy.
Reading comprehension skills letting you two down again?


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Just answer this one question:

If access to guns in the US were severely curtailed, due to a ban on the sale, purchase and possession of guns, how would guns be used to kill people?
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Guns are everywhere, especially in the States. And would still be so after a ban. Even if they were banned, people who really want them would still be able to get their hands on them. That simple.
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no they wouldn't, I remember gun club members in the uk back in the 90's saying such rubbish, the vast majority of people are law abiding, you'll never stop criminals who want them getting guns, but simple control would have meant this massacre never happened, or most of the massacres in recent history.

you really think john doe accountant would risk a criminal record, prison, losing his job just because he fancies owning an illegal firearm? one he'll never be able to show anyone, or shoot anywhere???
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John Doe accountant probably not. But John Doe accountant isn't likely to go out and start shooting random people. REMEMBER, IT ONLY TAKES ONE OF THESE.
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Old 05.10.2017, 15:11
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Forget controlling the sales of guns and ammo, just make the manufacturers financially and criminally co-responsible anytime their products are used illegally.

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Old 05.10.2017, 15:39
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You're a car buff aren't you? So let's look at it from a technical point of view. Would you say the Austin Metro is a feat of engineering? Would you say the Bugatti Veyron is a feat of engineering? My guess is you'd say that the metro isn't, but the Veyron is. Both are cars and I think we can agree the the car is a feat of engineering.

Guns are the same. They went from early muzzle loading muskets, to breach loading rifles, the addition of rifling, automatic reloading, rapid fire... all feats in the development of the gun. Even now to manufacture a good working weapon is not an easy thing to do. Managing the heat, recoil, cadence, accuracy etc. all while making sure it doesn't jam or stop functioning when required requires engineering. Have a look at how many engineers work for Rheinmetall/Oerlikon here if you don't believe me.
both are engineering feats, the ICE is a true feat on engineering, thousands of moving parts all working together.

but the rest of a metro is a mess
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both are engineering feats, the ICE is a true feat on engineering, thousands of moving parts all working together.

but the rest of a metro is a mess
Rovers, otoh, they're a whole different league. How on earth did they manage to make so many parts fail in a sequential manner?
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Reading comprehension skills letting you two down again?
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But John Doe accountant isn't likely to go out and start shooting random people.
... did we not comprehend?
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Rovers, otoh, they're a whole different league. How on earth did they manage to make so many parts fail in a sequential manner?
tell me about it
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Forget controlling the sales of guns and ammo, just make the manufacturers financially and criminally co-responsible anytime their products are used illegally.

Tom
Is there a legal precedent for this in the US?
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Which part of:



... did we not comprehend?
The part you've missed off.
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Guns are the same. They went from early muzzle loading muskets, to breach loading rifles, the addition of rifling, automatic reloading, rapid fire... all feats in the development of the gun. Even now to manufacture a good working weapon is not an easy thing to do. Managing the heat, recoil, cadence, accuracy etc. all while making sure it doesn't jam or stop functioning when required requires engineering. Have a look at how many engineers work for Rheinmetall/Oerlikon here if you don't believe me.
<sigh> Rheinmetall/Oerlikon aren't making semi auto hand guns

from their website - they make

C-RAM capable air defence systems
Mobile gun systems
35mm and Ahead ammunition
Missile launchers
Radar systems
Fire control systems
Battle management systems
Target allocation kits

all of which are a tad more complicated than a simple gun, and not available to a guy going postal, or should 35mm twin cannons be available from "guns and guitars" too?
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