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Old 06.10.2017, 01:15
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Have you ever read Lionel Shriver's 'We Need To Talk About Kevin'?
Nope. But it is sad since it seems that American reality might be scarier than scary books.
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Old 06.10.2017, 01:49
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Nope. But it is sad since it seems that American reality might be scarier than scary books.
Seems like a good time to trot out the boring probability/statistic that US citizens are far more likely to be killed by a home grown "white terrorist" than an Islamic one.
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Old 08.10.2017, 16:19
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Let's face the fact. US society is a violent society
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Old 08.10.2017, 16:33
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Let's face the fact. US society is a violent society
I wouldn't say that.
The reason people get guns is that they are afraid.

The American society is a very fearful society, at its core.

And the media and authorities do almost everything to prey on that fear.
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Old 08.10.2017, 16:36
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Let's face the fact. US society is a violent society
I agree with you, but what are you comparing it with?

United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America.
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Old 08.10.2017, 18:04
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Let's say the rest of the branches on the family tree no longer bear fruit. I bear the sole responsibility of carrying the name forward. I'm 1/2 way there. Make more sense?

Perhaps this notion seems old fashioned and patriarchal to you? ARe you OK with this or should I change to better meet your expectations? Perhaps you could tell me how I should raise my children, what to wear and how I should think about Skinhead Nazi's, Muslims, abortion clinic bombers and LGBT too? Will you tell me who I may invite into my home?

When I was referring to arrogance, I was thinking of you.

Thank you for proving my point.
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Old 10.10.2017, 10:32
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I wouldn't say that.
The reason people get guns is that they are afraid.

The American society is a very fearful society, at its core.

And the media and authorities do almost everything to prey on that fear.


Which is ironic, when you consider they like to call themselves 'The home of the brave'.
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Old 10.10.2017, 11:22
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The UK:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-41549642

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Old 10.10.2017, 11:29
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No surprises there, Liverpool - the city where kids kill kids.
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Old 10.10.2017, 12:52
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Which is ironic, when you consider they like to call themselves 'The home of the brave'.
Yeah, we sure do. It comes up in conversation all the time. We just cant get enough of how brave we are.

or maybe it's just a line from a famous song and poem?..

In any case, it's preferable to:

'..Happy and glorious, long to reign over us, God save the queen!'

lol

The idea that most Americans own guns because they are afraid of something is absurd. I already gave an example of typical gun ownership in the US - there is no fear, paranoia, or phallic complex at play in gun ownership for most.
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Old 10.10.2017, 12:57
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In any case, it's preferable to:

'..Happy and glorious, long to reign over us, God save the queen!'

lol
wars have been started over lesser insults

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Old 10.10.2017, 12:59
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wars have been started over lesser insults

Although the words "happy and glorious" do seem to invite nothing more than handbags at 50 paces.
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Old 10.10.2017, 13:00
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Yeah, we sure do. It comes up in conversation all the time. We just cant get enough of how brave we are.

or maybe it's just a line from a famous song and poem?..

In any case, it's preferable to:

'..Happy and glorious, long to reign over us, God save the queen!'

lol

The idea that most Americans own guns because they are afraid of something is absurd. I already gave an example of typical gun ownership in the US - there is no fear, paranoia, or phallic complex at play in gun ownership for most.
I think there is space to train. And accessibility of ranges, it is easy. People also go bowling a lot, since there are easy and inexpensive fun bowling places. I wonder if throwing a ball will also have some kind of weird explanation, for US national mentality. Oh yeah, and golfing. Also quite easy there. Pop psychology will turn it into something soon, I am sure.
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The idea that most Americans own guns because they are afraid of something is absurd. I already gave an example of typical gun ownership in the US - there is no fear, paranoia, or phallic complex at play in gun ownership for most.
I'm not sure about the "most" aspect, and I doubt either of us would be able to come up with a valid statistic to make the point either way.

But if you read the rhetoric of a great many supporters of gun ownership, there is an unmistakable group who are convinced that they need to protect themselves against the government, or various other bad guys.

The group who are inclined to say "I like guns, and target shooting." may well be the majority, but they do seem to get drowned out by the "self protection against bogey man "X"" side, who are undeniably afraid of something. Why else would they feel a need to arm themselves?
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I'm not sure about the "most" aspect, and I doubt either of us would be able to come up with a valid statistic to make the point either way.

But if you read the rhetoric of a great many supporters of gun ownership, there is an unmistakable group who are convinced that they need to protect themselves against the government, or various other bad guys.

The group who are inclined to say "I like guns, and target shooting." may well be the majority, but they do seem to get drowned out by the "self protection against bogey man "X"" side, who are undeniably afraid of something. Why else would they feel a need to arm themselves?
I suspect there's an element of "having to give an answer": interviewers and pollsters are never going to be happy with "I have guns because I like them and because I can", so they'll push for something more meaningful (or their interviewees will feel obliged to provide a more meaningful answer), which is where you end up with all the home-invasion, oppressive government stuff.

It's like if somebody asked me why I like going for walks. The true answer is that "I like to go for walks". If someone insisted on knowing my reasons, though, I'd probably furnish them with some guff about exercise and fresh air and this and that, none of which has anything much to do with the simple fact that I like going for walks.

People will come out with any old bollocks if they feel they've got to justify themselves.
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Old 10.10.2017, 13:32
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But if you read the rhetoric of a great many supporters of gun ownership, there is an unmistakable group who are convinced that they need to protect themselves against the government, or various other bad guys.
The very wording of the Second Amendment seems to suggest some kind of defensive motives for keeping weaponry to hand...

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Slightly off topic but I read an interesting snippet in the aftermath of the attack in Las Vegas which pointed out that for something which is named an "Amendment" it seems to be awfully difficult to change...
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Old 10.10.2017, 13:42
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Most americans that I know with guns

a) hunt

b) enjoy target shooting

I don't know anyone who has them for protection.

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I don't know anyone who has them for protection.
I only know one person who has them for all three reasons, mind you, he's been instrumental in sending some unsavoury characters to prison, so he likely needs them for that reason.

My OH had a pistol when he lived in SA, and it's quite common there.
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Slightly off topic but I read an interesting snippet in the aftermath of the attack in Las Vegas which pointed out that for something which is named an "Amendment" it seems to be awfully difficult to change...
Don't get too caught up on the name.

The first 10 Amendments are collectively known as the Bill Of Rights.

These amendments to the Constitution add specific guarantees of personal freedoms and personal rights, put clear limits on the government's power, and explicitly state that all powers not specifically delegated to Congress by the Constitution are reserved for the states or the people.

Radical stuff. So yeah, to an American the first 10 amendments are as 'sacred' as the original document. Heck, even more so because they deal with the lofty principles that play heavily into our understanding (warranted today or not) of who we are. The Bill Of Rights is considered part and parcel of the founding documents.

The issues addressed in the Bill Of Rights were hotly debated in the Consitutional Convention, negotiation around them played a large part in ratification by the states.
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

To put into perspective the scale of the US problem with guns.
Mass shootings in the US since Las Vegas:

Oct 3rd - Miami
Oct 5th - Casa Grande, Arizona
Oct 6th - Chicago
Oct 7th - Phoenix
Oct 9th - Houston
Oct 10th - San Francisco
Oct 11th - Pedro, Ohio
Oct 12th - Aliso Viejo, California.
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