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http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
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Old 15.10.2017, 20:32
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I read an interesting snippet in the aftermath of the attack in Las Vegas which pointed out that for something which is named an "Amendment" it seems to be awfully difficult to change...
Only one ammendment has ever been repealed, the 18th which was repealed by the 21st.

Fat chance on repealing the 2nd, repealing the 13th would probably be easier.

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Old 16.10.2017, 14:43
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For the people criticizing the 2nd amendment:

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Old 02.11.2017, 09:41
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Sayfullo Saipov, the Uzbek terrorist who killed eight cyclists and pedestrians in NYC with a rented truck on Tuesday, emerged from his vehicle brandishing a couple of imitation firearms: a paint gun and a pellet gun. He caused no further damage or injury with these items, and was promptly shot and arrested by police.

Why was he not armed with real guns? Because New York State has tough gun control laws, and he was unable to procure weapons, despite planning the attack for two months. It's very unpleasant to imagine how many more lives Saipov would have taken, had he been equipped with semi-automatic (or indeed any) firearms.

So much for "but the baddies will always have access to guns". Gun control works.
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Old 02.11.2017, 10:00
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3 people killed by a gunman in a Walmart in Colorado.

http://news.sky.com/story/three-kill...store-11109391
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Old 02.11.2017, 10:03
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So much for "but the baddies will always have access to guns". Gun control works.
Of course it does. Its clear to anyone with even the meanest intelligence.


However, there is simply too much money to be made to a small number of people by allowing the free, relatively uncontrolled trade of guns. A few hundred people dying every year is to those people, a price well wirth paying.
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Old 02.11.2017, 10:10
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Old 02.11.2017, 11:14
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Of course it does. Its clear to anyone with even the meanest intelligence.


However, there is simply too much money to be made to a small number of people by allowing the free, relatively uncontrolled trade of guns. A few hundred people dying every year is to those people, a price well wirth paying.
"A few hundred"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vi..._United_States

It's more like 36 per day.

I do wonder, though, why he didn't just move to a redneck state for a while, get his guns, plan a day-trip to NYC and go for a killing spree?

Or isn't it that simple?

I'm sure there will be some other knee-jerk reaction like equipping police with car-immobilizers that mostly work and kill a few pacemaker-patients on the way. Because they don't work with very old cars, they'll make a law that you need a special permit for those...

But hey, the right to keep and bear arms...
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Old 02.11.2017, 14:42
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Or isn't it that simple?
I wonder how residency is checked in the first place. If it's based on a utility bill, for example, you could simply rent an apartment in another state and use that. No need to actually relocate.

However, you can't bypass local state gun regulations by simply buying a gun in a different state. According to the NRA the seller in such a case needs to be a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL); the recommended procedure in such a case is to have the selling FFL send it to an FFL in your state who hands it to you.

Buying out-of-state from somebody other than an FFL appears to be illegal, though the blog presents it as rather common.
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Old 02.11.2017, 16:59
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And just to highlight the absurdity of some US laws ...

"American firework laws may seem strict - but as the UK prepares for Bonfire Night, has the US got the right idea?

In Delaware, you don't need a licence to own a shotgun.

You don't need a permit to buy a shotgun or carry a shotgun.

If you're over 18, and you pass the background check, the state won't interfere with your shotgun.

Sparklers, however, are a different matter.

Unless you have a permit for a public display, it is illegal to sell or possess fireworks in Delaware.

That includes sparklers - which the law specifically mentions.

The maximum fine is $100. Last year, 17 people were arrested in Delaware for fireworks offences.

While the US constitution does uphold the right to bear arms, it doesn't uphold the right to bear roman candles."


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41811499
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Old 02.11.2017, 17:28
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While the US constitution does uphold the right to bear arms, it doesn't uphold the right to bear roman candles."


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41811499
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Of course it does. Its clear to anyone with even the meanest intelligence.


However, there is simply too much money to be made to a small number of people by allowing the free, relatively uncontrolled trade of guns. A few hundred people dying every year is to those people, a price well wirth paying.
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Old 02.11.2017, 18:12
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Should we also control the trucks?
Gun control could mean stricter rules for purchasing and owning guns, not a total interdiction. And yes, it can drastically reduce the number of gun related incidents.
It's the classic - it doesn't matter, it will still happen, state can't control anything, some people will find a way etc etc that amazes me when people are in favour of non-action, no-restrictions whatsoever. Nobody said that these tragic incidents will disappear completely.
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Old 02.11.2017, 18:16
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Should we also control the trucks?
to paraphrase

"when a 64 year old man kills 58 and wounds 500 in fifteen minutes from 1200 feet with a TRUCK I will absolutely call for TRUCK control. Until then, you've made the worlds shittiest point"
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Old 02.11.2017, 19:10
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Should we also control the trucks?
Doesn't it take a license to drive i.e. use one?
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Old 02.11.2017, 19:18
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Should we also control the trucks?
After the London attacks, there was talk of tightening the car hire background checks, but as anyone who hires a car regularly will know, companies already take a lot of info from you, and most require you to present the credit card you used to make the booking when you collect the vehicle (which has just reminded me to pack 2 proofs of address for my next car hire). I honestly think that, unless you're on a Greek island, we give more info to hire a car than we do to book a flight.

Personally, I think one route would be to have the no fly list, somehow, also linked to driving licences so that vehicle hire companies can decline a hire. That would require an International data base of driving licences, giving your licence details at the time of hire rather than when you collect the vehicle, and any declined bookings would be automatically forwarded to the relevant authorities.

Such measures would not stop someone who isn't on the terrorist threat radar. They wouldn't prevent someone from using a stolen vehicle, and in the NYC case, the type of vehicle used was akin to a short hire from Ikea to take your purchases home.

That was the long answer. Short answer is no, it's not going to make any difference.
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Old 03.11.2017, 01:34
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After the London attacks, there was talk of tightening the car hire background checks, but as anyone who hires a car regularly will know, companies already take a lot of info from you, and most require you to present the credit card you used to make the booking when you collect the vehicle (which has just reminded me to pack 2 proofs of address for my next car hire). I honestly think that, unless you're on a Greek island, we give more info to hire a car than we do to book a flight.

Personally, I think one route would be to have the no fly list, somehow, also linked to driving licences so that vehicle hire companies can decline a hire. That would require an International data base of driving licences, giving your licence details at the time of hire rather than when you collect the vehicle, and any declined bookings would be automatically forwarded to the relevant authorities.

Such measures would not stop someone who isn't on the terrorist threat radar. They wouldn't prevent someone from using a stolen vehicle, and in the NYC case, the type of vehicle used was akin to a short hire from Ikea to take your purchases home.

That was the long answer. Short answer is no, it's not going to make any difference.

Don't forget car-sharing sites...

And then you have the maniacs like the one in Berlin who just killed a trucker to go and tear through a Christmas market.
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Don't forget car-sharing sites...
Very true. We did one of our house moves in the UK with a transit van through such a site. Incredibly low level of regulation. We just found the van and called the owner, who remotely unlocked it. Never even met him.
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Old 05.11.2017, 22:20
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Mass shooting inside Texas church . God help em :-(

https://www.ksat.com/news/shooting-s...ooting-airlife

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Old 05.11.2017, 23:26
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The top 5 deadliest mass shootings in the US, since 1949 have been in the last ten years.

2 of them in the last 5 weeks.

Waits for Wayne LaPierre to remind us all that the only way to protect from a bad guy with a gun is to have more good guys with guns.

It's ok. Trump is 'monitoring' the situation from Japan.
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