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Old 06.11.2017, 00:26
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The top 5 deadliest mass shootings in the US, since 1949 have been in the last ten years.

2 of them in the last 5 weeks.

Waits for Wayne LaPierre to remind us all that the only way to protect from a bad guy with a gun is to have more good guys with guns.

It's ok. Trump is 'monitoring' the situation from Japan.
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Old 06.11.2017, 08:35
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His response was its a mental health issue not a guns issue.
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Old 06.11.2017, 08:45
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His response was its a mental health issue not a guns issue.
Definitely. People who think having a gun will provide protection certainly have mental health issues. Unfortunately that seems to apply to the majority of Americans.
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Old 06.11.2017, 09:35
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His response was its a mental health issue not a guns issue.
So why let people with mental health issues (and a history of violence) buy guns? We don't let people with epilepsy drive cars.
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Precisely MrsWoowoo.

Mental health issues + terrorism + accidents x availability of firearms = gun massacres.
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Old 06.11.2017, 10:16
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So why let people with mental health issues (and a history of violence) buy guns? We don't let people with epilepsy drive cars.
Your analogy is terrible, as somebody might not be diagnosed with either mental health issues or with epilepsy before getting either a gun or driving license.

I think the issue here is, that it is guns. Trump shouldn't be diverting attention away from that issue. Everybody who goes on a gun rampage regardless of whether its in the name of god or because somebody had a crap day at the office is IMO mental.

Guns are the most dangerous things in American society, yet America is in total denial of that. So they direct the blame to other causalities and external factors or distract those simpleminded folk with the fear of crime related to immigration. It's the same old story over and over again.
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Your analogy is terrible, as somebody might not be diagnosed with either mental health issues or with epilepsy before getting either a gun or driving license.
It's not a terrible analogy at all. I bet this person's mental state was a mitigating factor (diminished responsibility) for him only serving 1yr for assaulting his wife and child. There are many medical diagnosis, and temporary medications that would preclude a person from driving. It can be temporary, or it can be a case where the DVLA need to be informed.

Why can that not be the case with gun licences?
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Old 06.11.2017, 10:34
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

If form 4473 was applicable for private sellers as well as licenced dealers this guy could not legally have bought a weapon. Answer Yes to either 'have ever been convicted of assault' or have you been dishonourably discharged from the military and you are not legally permitted to buy.
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Old 06.11.2017, 10:46
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precisely mrswoowoo.

Mental health issues + terrorism + accidents x availability of firearms = gun massacres.
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

The USA has a lot of mental health problem, and as HE says it starts right at the very top ...

https://youtu.be/GGuc6H7vrQc

nought to worry about- I mean he was white not brown or black, and he wasn't a Muslim- so all is fine and hunky dory

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Old 06.11.2017, 11:37
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If form 4473 was applicable for private sellers as well as licenced dealers this guy could not legally have bought a weapon. Answer Yes to either 'have ever been convicted of assault' or have you been dishonourably discharged from the military and you are not legally permitted to buy.
Also excluded if you gave up your US citizenship - so yes, I guess all us "ex" definitely have mental health issues.
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Old 06.11.2017, 12:18
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It's not a terrible analogy at all. I bet this person's mental state was a mitigating factor (diminished responsibility) for him only serving 1yr for assaulting his wife and child. There are many medical diagnosis, and temporary medications that would preclude a person from driving. It can be temporary, or it can be a case where the DVLA need to be informed.

Why can that not be the case with gun licences?
Of course this persons mental health issue was the factor as to why he commited a massacre. But I am blaming the ease with which access to weapons in America has resulted in these almost constant killing sprees and the denial of America that it is the weapons themselves, instead blaming the mental health of the people who carry out the attacks.
My point is that not everybody who carries out an attack has a history of mental health issues, until it is too late. Yes of course the legislation should be tightened, especially regarding personal history and in some states I believe it is. However the only way to truly stop these events from occuring is to disarm the American population. Good luck to anybody who tries that though.
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Old 06.11.2017, 12:26
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Of course this persons mental health issue was the factor as to why he commited a massacre. But I am blaming the ease with which access to weapons in America has resulted in these almost constant killing sprees and the denial of America that it is the weapons themselves, instead blaming the mental health of the people who carry out the attacks.
My point is that not everybody who carries out an attack has a history of mental health issues, until it is too late. Yes of course the legislation should be tightened, especially regarding personal history and in some states I believe it is. However the only way to truly stop these events from occuring is to disarm the American population. Good luck to anybody who tries that though.
Can I add to the blame the lack of health care, and that many hospitals and clinics are being taken over by (extreme?) religious folk who decide what God or Jesus might do. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that someone told him to pray his crazy away.
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Old 06.11.2017, 12:27
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The USA has a lot of mental health problem, and as HE says it starts right at the very top ...

https://youtu.be/GGuc6H7vrQc

nought to worry about- I mean he was white not brown or black, and he wasn't a Muslim- so all is fine and hunky dory
They are now reporting that he was an atheist so I guess that will give them plenty of scope for the god-bothering gun nuts to feel justified.

FFS, what a f*=ked up world.
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Old 06.11.2017, 12:50
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Good thing there was a responsible gun owner who was able to stop the killer from causing further mayhem.
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I was wondering which one of you wuld say it first- hey. But you were top of my list KK

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My point is that not everybody who carries out an attack has a history of mental health issues, until it is too late. Yes of course the legislation should be tightened, especially regarding personal history and in some states I believe it is. However the only way to truly stop these events from occuring is to disarm the American population. Good luck to anybody who tries that though.
See the way gun possesion is defended even here on EF.
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Old 06.11.2017, 13:08
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See the way gun possesion is defended even here on EF.
I dont think anyone on EF, aside from Tom, is a real gun advocate. Some members are either being sarcastic/ironic or enjoy trolling
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Old 06.11.2017, 13:25
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

there just doesn't seem to be any give and take from the pro gun lobby, they don't seem to be able to get it though their heads that no one needs to own an assault rifle, no one needs a gun that can be loaded with more then a handful of bullets, the old 'hunters' excuse just doesn't cut it, if you can't kill your prey in a couple of shots then you really should be choosing another hobby.

If they mistrust their gov that much, and fear for their safety that much then the country has some serious deep routed problems
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Old 06.11.2017, 13:35
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there just doesn't seem to be any give and take from the pro gun lobby, they don't seem to be able to get it though their heads that no one needs to own an assault rifle, no one needs a gun that can be loaded with more then a handful of bullets, the old 'hunters' excuse just doesn't cut it, if you can't kill your prey in a couple of shots then you really should be choosing another hobby.

If they mistrust their gov that much, and fear for their safety that much then the country has some serious deep routed problems
If the gun lobby finances my live, I would believe in the gun hobby too ;-)
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