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Old 06.11.2017, 23:52
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Looks like the term "terrorist" has been hijacked and politicised, and you have to qualify to be awarded the title of "terrorist".

It's all pompous semantics. The raw terror that a group of people must feel in that situation is what it is. The bloke with a gun, a set of real or imagined issues and no regard for human life is indeed terrorising anyone on the other end of his weapon.
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Old 07.11.2017, 09:04
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You'll find that "political aim" is part of the description for terrorism in pretty much any dictionary you pick up.

If you want to call this guy a "terrorist" then fine, but then you have no room for argument when others wish to call him "mentally ill".
Why not just call him what he was; a c**t with a grudge and free access to an AR15.
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Old 07.11.2017, 09:45
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Many dictionaries use phrases like "especially for political aims". In other words often or even predominantly, but it is not a constraining condition for the use of the term.

There are all kinds of mental illnesses which do not cause terror outside of the sufferer.

Shooting a gun at a group of civilians causes terror.

Are you claiming that being a terrorist and suffering from a mental illness are mutually exclusive? That would be odd. To my mind the one goes with the other.

Which is a different thing from claiming that all people who suffer from mental illness are terrorists.

Do I need to draw a Venn diagram for you?
I am stating that this is not an act of terrorism. Nor can we say that the shooter was mentally ill.

The shooting took place in the USA, according to US law terrorism is defined as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents.". This was not the case in the Texas shooting. The shooting was not even racially or religiously motivated. This was not terrorism.

If you believe this is an act of terrorism, that would make any shooting where there are multiple victims an act of terrorism, which kind of dilutes the term, don't you think?

And now we've dumbed-down to such a stage that the Irish Republican Army's bomb attacks numbering in the thousands were not actually terrorism after all, because of their skin colour. Rather than looking up the correct definition of the term, let's just assume it has something to do with racism.

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Old 07.11.2017, 09:46
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Oh, I thought you were? Sorry if you are not, and not sorry if you are. x
I'm gun neutral.

Never have owned one, but have shot them.

Know people who have guns, know people who don't.

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Old 07.11.2017, 10:09
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I am stating that this is not an act of terrorism. Nor can we say that the shooter was mentally ill.

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Have to agree with this, causing terror doesn't make one a terrorist. Its the underlying intention that defines whether it is terrorism or not. Was this guys aim to kill people or make them afraid to go to church/walk in the street/live in america? if the former he's a mass murderer, if the latter then he's a terrorist.
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Old 07.11.2017, 13:23
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I've seen this a lot, but aren't the statisticians counting all the military weapons as if they are "owned" by private citizens? Don't military guys keep the weapon at home but the ammo is kept at depots?
The numbers are probably fair, keeping in mind that they're guesses rather than actual countings.

There was a federal vote a few years ago on keeping the soldier's weapon in a depot while they're off duty but it got refused.

During their service years soldiers still have the weapon at home, along with 20 rounds in a sealed container. But it's trivial to steal rounds during military service, or to buy a few excess rounds to take home during the annual practice shooting. Or to join a shooting club and take home some rounds. My eldest brother (recruit in 1976 or so) had a plastic bag with at least 100 rounds at home for quite a few years, it was kind of sports for these troops to steal some.

Upon release from service the soldiers can chose to keep the weapon and make it their private property. Used to be "no questions asked", these days some basic criteria need to be fulfilled (like, no criminal record and no mental health issues). Up until perhaps 1990 just about everybody kept their weapon; not sure about today but I'd be surprised if it wasn't still the majority (just for perspective: about 25'000 recruits each year, used to be 40'000 if memory serves).

Swiss military rifles' safety latch has extended functionality as it defines the operating mode: off, semi-automatic, or fully automatic. Upon release from duty and if the soldier keeps his weapon, fully automatic is disabled but that was trivial to undo with the previous version of rifles and still is doable for someone with fair mechanic's skills today.
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Old 08.11.2017, 21:13
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Many people also believe that fully automatic weapons are illegal in Switzerland.

They require an exceptional permit, as do threaded barrels and suppressors. The permit is not diificult to get for collectors, or other accepted reasons.

And, each occasion of intended use requires an exceptional approval.

Anibis has many advertisements for fully auto Uzis, MP5's, Glock 18's and the like.
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Old 09.11.2017, 11:57
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Many people also believe that fully automatic weapons are illegal in Switzerland.

They require an exceptional permit, as do threaded barrels and suppressors. The permit is not diificult to get for collectors, or other accepted reasons.
Exactly the contrary, possession of automatic firearms is forbidden. That's why the military rifles' automatic mode gets disabled when soldiers leave the army.

Law on arms, §5.2 (no English version available):
"Verboten ist der Besitz von:
a. Seriefeuerwaffen und Abschussgeräten nach Absatz 1 Buchstabe b sowie ihren wesentlichen und besonders konstruierten Bestandteilen;"
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Old 09.11.2017, 19:41
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Exactly the contrary, possession of automatic firearms is forbidden;"
The cantons can authorise exceptions.
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Old 15.11.2017, 09:01
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Rancho Tehama, northern California. Four dead, plus the gunman.

And Trump is a clueless, incapable fool who is unfit to serve as President.
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Old 15.11.2017, 09:34
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And Trump is a clueless, incapable fool who is unfit to serve as President.


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Old 15.11.2017, 11:57
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It's OK, Tom. Trump is the new Kennedy (or Bush). Next, we'll have Don Jr, followed by Ivanka and who knows, maybe even Arabella. There's a whole dynasty of Trumpiness to come, I'm sure.
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The cantons can authorise exceptions.
From this brochure:
In particular, exceptions can be granted for
- sports weapons used by sports clubs
- knives used by disabled people or certain professional groups

For instance, no (legal) knife-throwing show in a circus without such an exception.

So, how many exceptions for automatic guns do you know of, and which are they?
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It's OK, Tom. Trump is the new Kennedy (or Bush). Next, we'll have Don Jr, followed by Ivanka and who knows, maybe even Arabella. There's a whole dynasty of Trumpiness to come, I'm sure.
Arabella?
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Old 15.11.2017, 20:05
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Arabella?
Ivanka's daughter.
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Arabella?
There is this about her...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlxgYU40Ix8

Oh, oh, oh.
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There is this about her...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlxgYU40Ix8

Oh, oh, oh.
I see....cute. I wouldn't make public all those films if I were her mom, but there you are...
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Old 15.11.2017, 21:26
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And Trump is a clueless, incapable fool who is unfit to serve as President.
ROFLMAO!
You're right but seriously: Best laugh so far this evening
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French policeman kills 3 before shooting himself in a domestic dispute.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42044592
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Another "Church" shooting. This time in Bir al-Abed, Egypt.

More than 150 people dead after bomb and gun attack on a mosque.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42110223
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