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Old 21.02.2018, 15:08
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First of all screaming "BAN THEM" all over the place is ridiculous - i nevere said we should ban guns, but regulate them tighter.


And secondly:


Cars - REGULATED
Vans - REGULATED
Knives - REGULATED
Acid - REGULATED
Fertiliser - REGULATED.


Literally all of those things are regulated tighter then guns, and would attract the interest of authorities if large amounts or unusual activity was spotted.


you're argument is laughable.
But cars and vans are regulated? How did Nice happen? How did Westminster bridge happen? How did the Finsbury Park Mosque attack happen? How did Berlin happen?
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:12
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But cars and vans are regulated? How did Nice happen? How did Westminster bridge happen? How did the Finsbury Park Mosque attack happen? How did Berlin happen?
If guns are regulated, shootings will still happen. The idea is to make it much much more difficult.

Are you under some illusion that it will 100% stop gun crime?

Do drink driving laws prevent alcohol-related accidents 100%? No, of course not, but the numbers now are much much lower than what they were BEFORE the laws came in.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:20
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If guns are regulated, shootings will still happen. The idea is to make it much much more difficult.

Are you under some illusion that it will 100% stop gun crime?

Do drink driving laws prevent alcohol-related accidents 100%? No, of course not, but the numbers now are much much lower than what they were BEFORE the laws came in.
Mass shootings happen so infrequently (like terrorist attacks) that I don't believe even regulation would have a significant impact on them.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:23
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Mass shootings happen so infrequently (like terrorist attacks) that I don't believe even regulation would have a significant impact on them.
Might help the every day gun deaths though, eh?

Being shot in a mass shooting doesn't make your death any less spectacular than being shot by mistake by a toddler does it?
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:24
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Mass shootings happen so infrequently (like terrorist attacks) that I don't believe even regulation would have a significant impact on them.
Really?

Not including suicides:

7470 incidents in 2018.
2066 deaths so far.
3537 injuries.
79 children below the age of 11 killed.
395 teenagers killed or injured.
42 police officers shot or killed.

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Do you know what the word 'infrequent' means?
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:27
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18 school shooting in 6 weeks.
Yeah, that's fake news.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:31
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Mass shootings happen so infrequently (like terrorist attacks) that I don't believe even regulation would have a significant impact on them.
Yes. Because it's not as though it has been tried and proven to work in somewhere similar like Australia, is it?

Oh hold on.....
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:32
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While we're at it, let's have a look at what other tools we should limit as they can cause harm:

Cars can cause mass killings - BAN THEM
Vans can cause mass killings - BAN THEM
Knives can cause mass killings - BAN THEM
Acid can cause death - BAN IT
Fertiliser can cause mass killings - BAN IT
Knives can cause mass killings, do you have a source for this
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:34
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Mass shootings happen so infrequently (like terrorist attacks) that I don't believe even regulation would have a significant impact on them.
Not in America.

But guns are regulated, there either needs to be much tighter regulations, as in no assualt rifles, no high powered sniper rifles, no high capacity magazine, no add ons that increase the firepower. Thorough screening and reference checks.

or

A total and outright ban on weapons in private hands, unless those people can prove a justifiable reason for owning a weapon, i.e. sport shooters, security personel, farmers, pest control, etc. Recall all weapons with paperwork, and place an amnesty on non registered firearms. Then give stiff penalties after a year to those that dont comply.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:36
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Really?

Not including suicides:

7470 incidents in 2018.
2066 deaths so far.
3537 injuries.
79 children below the age of 11 killed.
395 teenagers killed or injured.
42 police officers shot or killed.

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Do you know what the word 'infrequent' means?
And do you know what "mass shooting" means?
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:38
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Knives can cause mass killings, do you have a source for this
Mass stabbings
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:40
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Knives can cause mass killings, do you have a source for this
It did happen.

But other things on Loz's list are regulated such as fertlizers and compounds that can be used in the manufacture of bombs.

You can't stop every malicous deadly act, but you can reduce the likelihood that they may occur. With vehicals in busy pedestrian areas, by using bollards.

Knives will always be a problem, you can can set an age limit on purchase, but a kid can always just get one from a kitchen.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:40
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Mass shootings happen so infrequently (like terrorist attacks) that I don't believe even regulation would have a significant impact on them.
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And do you know what "mass shooting" means?
Why are you making it about "mass shootings"? You responded to my post which was about shootings in general.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:43
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Why are you making it about "mass shootings"? You responded to my post which was about shootings in general.
Because people only get up in arms about US gun laws when there's a mass shooting. Again, the emotional response.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:49
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Because people only get up in arms about US gun laws when there's a mass shooting. Again, the emotional response.
To be fair, the state of the gun crime in the US is never far from the surface of the media regardless.

Not sure why you think its relevant, though?

This thread is filled with reported shooting incidents, most in the US and a split of mass and individual events.

I'd worry more about people who DON'T find a shooting an emotional event, mass or otherwise.
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Old 21.02.2018, 15:51
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I was just talking to my daughter about this. Has anyone ever read of a mass poisoning at a school?
Are you refering to this? http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/...11f20170930411
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Old 21.02.2018, 16:15
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Again, the emotional response.
Again, that is a human response.

Lack of empathy (or an emotional response) is, as I pointed out to you earlier, a trait shown in sociopaths and psychopaths and they're generally the ones doing the shooting.
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Old 21.02.2018, 16:22
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No, the discussion was more along the lines of: "Is it just the guns that are the problem?" i.e. If you were to implement 100% gun control in the US, would you find that the loonies start poisoning the food in the school cafeteria, or the popcorn at cinemas?

And it occurred to me that the only poisoning "event" I could think of was the Tylenol poisonings back in the '80s.
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Old 21.02.2018, 16:30
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Here's the next mass killer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4kZHfLyPSw

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Knives can cause mass killings, do you have a source for this
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Old 21.02.2018, 16:47
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Do they? I don't know. It certainly never gets the attention that a good ole school shooting gets. Which is ironic, because that is the real problem.
Says it all, really. FFS.
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