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seems like he waiting around outside the building for 4 of the 6 minutes the shooter was in there firing away, what a hero, so a trained policeman won't do the one thing he was employed for what hope have you got of teachers shooting at one of their own kids.

america - bat shit crazy
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American gun culture in easy to understand charts.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081
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Trump. " we can arm the teachers and even give them a little bonus". Trump is such a generous and fine feeling person!


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seems like he waiting around outside the building for 4 of the 6 minutes the shooter was in there firing away, what a hero, so a trained policeman won't do the one thing he was employed for what hope have you got of teachers shooting at one of their own kids.

america NRA lobbyists, craven politicians, and a minority of the population - bat shit crazy

FTFY.

(I wholly agree with the sentiment, the idea is bat-shit crazy. Fortunately many, many Americans think so as well.)
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what a hero....
Can you blame him? What is the SOP for a single policeman probably only armed with a sidearm against someone armed with a AR-15?. Should he have just gone kamikaze on him and just add himself to the death toll? I would think the book probably says "find cover, observe from a distance and wait for the 10-man SWAT team to arrive with bullet shields and full body armour and possibly an APC to have a chance to overwhelm the fckker"


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Amen to that. This whole thing just shows how completely irrational the argument has become
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He was not police. He was assistant policeman.
Still no excuse for his cowardness. He's more a coward than the shooter
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FTFY.

(I wholly agree with the sentiment, the idea is bat-shit crazy. Fortunately many, many Americans think so as well.)
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The book say's "hide ,piss in your pants and comeout when everbody is dead." Americans have to learn what civil courage is!
The teachers had more courage than this coward!!
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Can you blame him? What is the SOP for a single policeman probably only armed with a sidearm against someone armed with a AR-15?. Should he have just gone kamikaze on him and just add himself to the death toll? I would think the book probably says "find cover, observe from a distance and wait for the 10-man SWAT team to arrive with bullet shields and full body armour and possibly an APC to have a chance to overwhelm the fckker"


Amen to that. This whole thing just shows how completely irrational the argument has become
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Old 23.02.2018, 09:30
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Can you blame him?
Yes! that was his job! if he thought for one second he wouldn't be able to step up if the time came then he shouldn't have been in that job. The kid wasn't trained, its very hard to aim and shoot an automatic weapon after the initial shot and recoil. at the very worst he could have made the shooter take cover giving other kids time to escape and more police time to arrive, but he did nothing, a coward of the worst kind.
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Arming teachers is just a crowd-pleasing pipe dream anyway.

Unhinged student armed to the teeth and prepared to die, with a tactical advantage of surprise, scope and probably position being dealt with by a teacher being caught by the spontaneity of the situation. Adrenalin from zero to off the scale, a class' safety to deal with.

All a bit "John McClane" isn't it?
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Yes! that was his job! if he thought for one second he wouldn't be able to step up if the time came then he shouldn't have been in that job. The kid wasn't trained, its very hard to aim and shoot an automatic weapon after the initial shot and recoil. at the very worst he could have made the shooter take cover giving other kids time to escape and more police time to arrive, but he did nothing, a coward of the worst kind.
Hmm... easy to call names from a thousand miles away

Do you think he would have known right away who was shooting, or even how many shooters there were, not to mention how trained they were or how many guns they might have had?

I wouldn't think to ask that someone (which btw is probably paid half the salary of anyone in the school administration) to risk their life in that way. He's just a policeman, not Superman. No matter how trained you are, you can not deal with that kind of situation on your own.
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Old 23.02.2018, 09:56
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Hmm... easy to call names from a thousand miles away

Do you think he would have known right away who was shooting, or even how many shooters there were, not to mention how trained they were or how many guns they might have had?

I wouldn't think to ask that someone (which btw is probably paid half the salary of anyone in the school administration) to risk their life in that way. He's just a policeman, not Superman. No matter how trained you are, you can not deal with that kind of situation on your own.
he was on $80k plus, hardly peanuts!

again - IT WAS HIS JOB, he could have entered the hallway, shouted a warning and fired into the air, that would be enough to slow the gunman down, funny how reports say 2 coaches ran into the same building and shielded kids, while big man was outside, armed, trained and hiding behind a pillar.

its all very well saying he had no idea how many shooters etc there was, he'd never know while hiding outside would he?? every gun shot he heard was potentially another child being murdered, and he hid outside, I read he's now retired on 75% final salary pension
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Old 23.02.2018, 10:21
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No matter how trained you are, you can not deal with that kind of situation on your own.
Which makes the whole idea of arming teachers pointless.
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he was on $80k plus, hardly peanuts!

again - IT WAS HIS JOB, he could have entered the hallway, shouted a warning and fired into the air, that would be enough to slow the gunman down, funny how reports say 2 coaches ran into the same building and shielded kids, while big man was outside, armed, trained and hiding behind a pillar.

its all very well saying he had no idea how many shooters etc there was, he'd never know while hiding outside would he?? every gun shot he heard was potentially another child being murdered, and he hid outside, I read he's now retired on 75% final salary pension
Its an important factor in the shootings but I don't think he should be scapegoated because of it.
However I can see that the twitterati are already laying into him, taking precious heat away from the NRA and government who are ultimately culpable for the tragedy.
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Yes! that was his job! if he thought for one second he wouldn't be able to step up if the time came then he shouldn't have been in that job. The kid wasn't trained, its very hard to aim and shoot an automatic weapon after the initial shot and recoil. at the very worst he could have made the shooter take cover giving other kids time to escape and more police time to arrive, but he did nothing, a coward of the worst kind.
Definitely.

Yet, and to be fair, perhaps he thought he would. Nobody who hasn't been in a similar situation already can predict how they will react. And even for those who have, the 2nd time may differ enough to cause the opposite reaction.

It's easy to demand that kind of courage while sitting in a comfy chair.
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Old 23.02.2018, 11:10
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The kid wasn't trained, its very hard to aim and shoot an automatic weapon after the initial shot and recoil. at the very worst he could have made the shooter take cover giving other kids time to escape and more police time to arrive, but he did nothing, a coward of the worst kind.
Allegedly, the kid was trained, according to the far right, white supremecist group he's alleged to have been a member of.

Also, there was a nominted school security officer, Athletics Director, Chris Hixon, who was one of the victims. Until the full timeline has been established we won't know the truth, but various reports say he was the first victim, whilst most reports say he died trying to disarm the shooter.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...200927994.html

My primary issue with arming teachers is, what if the shooter is a current student? That's going to cause a mental delay in reacting, going from care giver to "I need to kill this guy". Nothing I say matches up to a much loved friend who is former 82nd Airbourne Division and now a college lecturer in Iowa...
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It's easy to demand that kind of courage while sitting in a comfy chair.
Correct, it is, very, but then protecting children isn't my job, I didn't apply for the position, do the training, take the rather large salary and supplied accommodation for a few decades, then when called upon HID and retired.

Yes this guy will have to live with his (in)actions and forever be known as a coward, I see he's now in protective custody too, at the end of the day we pay people to protect us, be they police or army, they know the risks, no one forced this guy to become a policeman, yes he could have been injured or killed then his story would be very different
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He was not police. He was assistant policeman.
Still no excuse for his cowardness. He's more a coward than the shooter
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Correct, it is, very, but then protecting children isn't my job, I didn't apply for the position, do the training, take the rather large salary and supplied accommodation for a few decades, then when called upon HID and retired.

Yes this guy will have to live with his (in)actions and forever be known as a coward, I see he's now in protective custody too, at the end of the day we pay people to protect us, be they police or army, they know the risks, no one forced this guy to become a policeman, yes he could have been injured or killed then his story would be very different
This is how farcical the argument has become. A guy with a handgun is criticised for not taking on an unknown number of guy(s) with machine gun(s).

This is real life, not Die Hard.
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This is how farcical the argument has become. A guy with a handgun is criticised for not taking on an unknown number of guy(s) with machine gun(s).

This is real life, not Die Hard.
he wasn't just a guy with a handgun, he was a trained cop with a handgun and in uniform, who's supposed to protect unarmed children, that was his job. Made 1000% times worse when unarmed guys are running into the building to help and he still stays outside.
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he wasn't just a guy with a handgun, he was a trained cop with a handgun and in uniform, who's supposed to protect unarmed children, that was his job. Made 1000% times worse when unarmed guys are running into the building to help and he still stays outside.
Yeah, but he's also a human.
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