Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #4081  
Old 18.03.2019, 15:50
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Leimbach, Zürich
Posts: 5,723
Groaned at 325 Times in 259 Posts
Thanked 6,403 Times in 3,221 Posts
EdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
I think that post was made before the death toll was reported.
Actually way before that post was made, it already was certain that at least one person was killed and at least one other was reanimated after which the Ambulance drove of slowly.
Reply With Quote
  #4082  
Old 18.03.2019, 15:52
fduvall's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Used to be Zurich
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 29 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,373 Times in 668 Posts
fduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Thanks for the update, as I hadn't seen many details while flipping channels and searching through my usual sources. Tragic, no matter the motivation...

Quote:
View Post
So far we know:

The guy they are looking for has been involved in an earlier shooting incident, and was in a court hearing for rape just two weeks ago. Motive is still unclear, several witnesses declare that he shouted Allah Akbar, but he also had declared previously that he wanted to kill his sister in law the main target was a woman wearing a kerchief, so could be terroristic, could be relational, could be just someone who simply freaked out (actually business as usual in the Netherlands), There is no doubt about this guy since he appears on the safety cams of the tram.

3 killed and 9 wounded of which 3 critical/seriously.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fduvall for this useful post:
  #4083  
Old 18.03.2019, 15:52
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,394
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,851 Times in 2,525 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
While I agree with you on the difference between definitive and transient statements while engaged in civilised discourse, on most internet fora with any type of code of conduct for using insulting language… there is no difference. But don’t worry - you are on the “right” side of the EF narrative where there are no consequences for bad behaviour.
If you are unwilling or unable to see context, sure. That is often the case on here and I wouldn't have been surprised if MC had pulled my post; luck of the draw.

I'm sure we can all agree we are purely engaged in civilized discourse on here though
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank StirB for this useful post:
  #4084  
Old 18.03.2019, 15:56
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,638
Groaned at 126 Times in 117 Posts
Thanked 24,971 Times in 9,625 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
Thanks, f. If you disagree with the mob, you get your grammar scrutinized, watch out. The fact that people feel strong in a group is not new.

I totally agree with you, btw. Loz is not doing anything wrong and people will keep badgering him for having a different opinion.
Are you suggesting that Loz has some kind of mod-protection and shouldn't be disagreed with?

Fair enough, hope he enjoys the special safe space you are creating.

Can I have one, too?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Sandgrounder for this useful post:
  #4085  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:01
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Leimbach, Zürich
Posts: 5,723
Groaned at 325 Times in 259 Posts
Thanked 6,403 Times in 3,221 Posts
EdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
Thanks for the update, as I hadn't seen many details while flipping channels and searching through my usual sources. Tragic, no matter the motivation...
As for extra info on the guy:

He is previously prosecuted (or still in court process) for Shooting at people who just walked by, rape, violence, burglary and theft and people who know him describe him a totally loony.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank EdwinNL for this useful post:
  #4086  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:09
fduvall's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Used to be Zurich
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 29 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,373 Times in 668 Posts
fduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Hard to fathom how people charged with these types of crimes, manage to get released into the public. I don't care what color/creed/religious beliefs; it makes no sense how someone in the court process for being a public menace gets the chance to do it again.

Quote:
View Post
As for extra info on the guy:

He is previously prosecuted (or still in court process) for Shooting at people who just walked by, rape, violence, burglary and theft and people who know him describe him a totally loony.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank fduvall for this useful post:
  #4087  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:15
fduvall's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Used to be Zurich
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 29 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,373 Times in 668 Posts
fduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

You mean, like I suggested to Sandgrounder in Post #4076?

Quote:
View Post
If you are unwilling or unable to see context, sure. That is often the case on here and I wouldn't have been surprised if MC had pulled my post; luck of the draw.

I'm sure we can all agree we are purely engaged in civilized discourse on here though
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank fduvall for this useful post:
  #4088  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:23
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 7,519
Groaned at 248 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 9,044 Times in 4,737 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
If you seriously do not read the difference in tone between these two sentences, then I really don't see the point in further discussion.
I don't see one. Loz demanded that muslims distance themselves from terrorist attacks comitted by muslims, now he does the same here. I'd agree that there's a tongue-in-cheek if it came from Sandgrounder, but not when it comes from Loz.
Reply With Quote
  #4089  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:23
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Leimbach, Zürich
Posts: 5,723
Groaned at 325 Times in 259 Posts
Thanked 6,403 Times in 3,221 Posts
EdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
Hard to fathom how people charged with these types of crimes, manage to get released into the public. I don't care what color/creed/religious beliefs; it makes no sense how someone in the court process for being a public menace gets the chance to do it again.
Very normal in the Netherlands, and surprises nobody. There is a huge group of serial offenders that walk in and out of jail continuously over the yrs.

The shooting he did in 2013 was actually very close-by to this shooting.

And we can add threatening a police officer, insulting police, insulting women, drunk driving, attempted homicide to the list of known things he did over the yrs.

Now I am absolutely against a police state, but if like in Brazil happens some police officers would have make him disappear world would have been a better place.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank EdwinNL for this useful post:
  #4090  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:23
fduvall's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Used to be Zurich
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 29 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,373 Times in 668 Posts
fduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

lol... I haven't been banned since the original set of Mods... but I'd like a Get Out of Jail Free Card, too!

Quote:
View Post
Are you suggesting that Loz has some kind of mod-protection and shouldn't be disagreed with?

Fair enough, hope he enjoys the special safe space you are creating.

Can I have one, too?
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank fduvall for this useful post:
  #4091  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:28
fduvall's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Used to be Zurich
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 29 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,373 Times in 668 Posts
fduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

And where did you see this demand? Loz' exact words, "I think it’s only correct and proper that..."

Quote:
View Post
I don't see one. Loz demanded that muslims distance themselves from terrorist attacks comitted by muslims, now he does the same here. I'd agree that there's a tongue-in-cheek if it came from Sandgrounder, but not when it comes from Loz.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank fduvall for this useful post:
  #4092  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:28
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,394
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,851 Times in 2,525 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
You mean, like I suggested to Sandgrounder in Post #4076?
Whataboutery par excellence, chapeau.

Anyway, loads of people dead and injured, let's not derail too much.
Reply With Quote
  #4093  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:35
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,410
Groaned at 246 Times in 199 Posts
Thanked 15,707 Times in 6,495 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
And where did you see this demand? Loz' exact words, "I think it’s only correct and proper that..."
Or in other words, "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Loz is still miffed that I deleted a post by him in the Brexit thread, because he used the phrase "the 650 mongs in Parliament". This is his puerile way of "getting me back". Speaking of backs, his behaviour is like water off a duck's. I have a son who was once a toddler; I know how to deal with that age group.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #4094  
Old 18.03.2019, 16:40
StirB's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,394
Groaned at 141 Times in 123 Posts
Thanked 5,851 Times in 2,525 Posts
StirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond reputeStirB has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
"the 650 mongs in Parliament".
I'm #TeamLoz now
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank StirB for this useful post:
  #4095  
Old 18.03.2019, 17:00
omtatsat's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Timbuktoo/Zürich
Posts: 8,212
Groaned at 1,554 Times in 848 Posts
Thanked 3,617 Times in 2,306 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

The far right in Australia-no sense of humour!He's truly an egg-head. Well done cobber!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtOuP1-rJQ

Last edited by omtatsat; 18.03.2019 at 17:11.
Reply With Quote
  #4096  
Old 18.03.2019, 17:10
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 13,387
Groaned at 269 Times in 175 Posts
Thanked 15,841 Times in 6,720 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
Or in other words, "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Loz is still miffed that I deleted a post by him in the Brexit thread, because he used the phrase "the 650 mongs in Parliament". This is his puerile way of "getting me back". Speaking of backs, his behaviour is like water off a duck's. I have a son who was once a toddler; I know how to deal with that age group.
to be fair, that is a perfectly reasonable phrase considering the circumstances. do we really want mods to intervene on the grounds of political correctness?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post:
  #4097  
Old 18.03.2019, 17:14
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ostschweiz
Posts: 7,519
Groaned at 248 Times in 211 Posts
Thanked 9,044 Times in 4,737 Posts
Urs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond reputeUrs Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
And where did you see this demand? Loz' exact words, "I think it’s only correct and proper that..."
I didn't think you were into playing semantics.
Reply With Quote
  #4098  
Old 18.03.2019, 17:23
fduvall's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Used to be Zurich
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 29 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,373 Times in 668 Posts
fduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Actually, I do think words and context matter. I know words and context do get lost/misunderstood/misconstrued on boards like this. Part and parcel of the medium, but I think it is fair to point out that there is a pretty big difference between "demanding" something and saying "I think it’s only correct and proper that" even if he was being a smartass.

Quote:
View Post
I didn't think you were into playing semantics.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank fduvall for this useful post:
  #4099  
Old 18.03.2019, 17:23
California Dreamer's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,010
Groaned at 73 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 1,003 Times in 513 Posts
California Dreamer has an excellent reputationCalifornia Dreamer has an excellent reputationCalifornia Dreamer has an excellent reputationCalifornia Dreamer has an excellent reputation
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Quote:
View Post
The far right in Australia-no sense of humour! Good on ya kid!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTtOuP1-rJQ

I don't care what the senator said, even if it was vulgar and I disagree, if you egged me like that the response would be similar except I have a better right-hander. The man was assaulted. Period. The fact that its "ok" to approve of one form of violence as long as you agree with the ideology is the reason we are where we are today. The only form of violence that is acceptable is self-defense. And that's clearly the case here.

I did find it funny that the kid had a broken egg in his shorts. It shows a clear intent that he was planning on a second attack so the self-defense was justified.

In a time when emotions are high, you shouldn't egg people on and ruffle their feathers.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank California Dreamer for this useful post:
  #4100  
Old 18.03.2019, 17:28
fduvall's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Used to be Zurich
Posts: 1,491
Groaned at 29 Times in 24 Posts
Thanked 1,373 Times in 668 Posts
fduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond reputefduvall has a reputation beyond repute
Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

lol... fair enough. I still feel that your post (to Loz) was pretty aggro. I don't think I make it a regular habit to police EF threads but maybe it is time to step back from the keyboard... (suggestion to myself, here!).

Quote:
View Post
Or in other words, "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Loz is still miffed that I deleted a post by him in the Brexit thread, because he used the phrase "the 650 mongs in Parliament". This is his puerile way of "getting me back". Speaking of backs, his behaviour is like water off a duck's. I have a son who was once a toddler; I know how to deal with that age group.

Last edited by fduvall; 18.03.2019 at 17:52. Reason: clarifying that it is a suggestion to myself!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fduvall for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
florida, gay, isis, killed, muslim students, shooting, usa




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My boss is a.......(fill in the gap) goombie General off-topic 35 28.01.2011 14:55
Recreational Shooting in the Geneva canton MAWLER Sports / Fitness / Beauty / Wellness 9 31.08.2010 16:04
What just happened please i could not access the forum Sutter Forum support 44 25.05.2009 19:03
Do I need to fill in Tax forms for the US? Roe Finance/banking/taxation 14 18.06.2008 18:17
What's just happened to the Swiss Franc? Tim Finance/banking/taxation 7 08.05.2007 16:24


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 03:01.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0