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Old 20.03.2019, 19:13
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For what it's worth, I think this won't be the last attack we see like this, and I expect the next one to be a lot closer to home.
Given the attack happened in New Zealand there’s a fair to middling chance the next one will be closer to home owing to the fact you can’t really get much further away.

This is the kind of guff you read on dog-whistle media outlets.
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Old 20.03.2019, 19:15
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Given the attack happened in New Zealand there’s a fair to middling chance the next one will be closer to home owing to the fact you can’t really get much further away.

This is the kind of guff you read on dog-whistle media outlets.
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Old 20.03.2019, 19:20
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He's done you there, to be fair.
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Old 20.03.2019, 19:21
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People rarely work entirely alone. They are influenced by ideas, ideology. My guess is that the NZ shooter was influenced by ideas of white supremacy and a perception of being cast aside in favor of brown people. Simplification? Perhaps, i‘ve not read his meanderings, and I doubt I will.

His radicalization is probably not much different from that of an isis sympathizer, just replace radical Islam with radical white supremacist/racist.

I think it‘s a mistake to characterize these shooters as lone wolves. They are joined in their belief about the decline of white culture. They share ideologies. They do seem to operate in society as isolated individuals.

However, I wonder that easily radicalized people are not so different from each other.
I agree that he was likely influenced by ideas, ideology. What differentiates him from the others subscribing to these ideas and makes him "a lone nutter" is that he went out and killed a lot of innocent strangers. This the red line he crossed.

It is clear that some people can be easily influenced by such ideas; there are even examples here in EF.
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Old 20.03.2019, 19:23
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From what I've read, yes.
So a nutter, in your world view, cannot form what appear to be cogent arguments, or express themselves clearly?
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Old 20.03.2019, 19:23
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I agree that he was likely influenced by ideas, ideology. What differentiates him from the others subscribing to these ideas and makes him "a lone nutter" is that he went out and killed a lot of innocent strangers. This the red line he crossed.

It is clear that some people can be easily influenced by such ideas; there are even examples here in EF.
True, but he’s not so different from other shooters, that’s my point. Lots of nutters out there. Here too, maybe.
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Old 20.03.2019, 19:35
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True, but he’s not so different from other shooters, that’s my point. Lots of nutters out there. Here too, maybe.
I agree, there are surprising similarities between the nutters both in their views (similar conclusions but from opposite ends of the political/religious spectrum) and in their tactics.
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Old 20.03.2019, 19:39
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Lad, we're all Marton. There's just you, we Martons, and a bunch of marketing executives at the toilet paper manufacturers. That's it.

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Old 20.03.2019, 19:51
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...I think it‘s a mistake to characterize these shooters as lone wolves. They are joined in their belief about the decline of white culture. They share ideologies. They do seem to operate in society as isolated individuals.

However, I wonder that easily radicalized people are not so different from each other.
Interesting perspective that I'd not really thought about. They might be lone wolves in the sense that they acted alone on that day, but they're not truly alone in that many, many other people hold the same views.
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Old 20.03.2019, 20:00
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Interesting perspective that I'd not really thought about. They might be lone wolves in the sense that they acted alone on that day, but they're not truly alone in that many, many other people hold the same views.
It's how any momentum gathers. Good and bad.
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Old 20.03.2019, 20:10
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If you think about extreme ideologies, you go far enough to one side, you end up at the far end of the other.
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Old 20.03.2019, 20:24
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Lad, we're all Marton. There's just you, we Martons, and a bunch of marketing executives at the toilet paper manufacturers. That's it.

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Oh dear!

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Oh dear!

Now I shall have to convene the disciplinary committee!
We might have to invoke the trial by toilet paper recycling
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Old 20.03.2019, 20:31
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Don't you threaten me, I'll just become Loz. Imagine Loz with a plasma cutter. And a beard. And a full set of carburettor tuning tools.
Is it me or is it getting hot in here...?
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Old 20.03.2019, 21:02
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However, I wonder that easily radicalized people are not so different from each other.
Your post instantly made me think of 'Die Welle'.
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Old 20.03.2019, 21:04
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Is it me or is it getting hot in here...?
What do you think Loz?

With my looks, and your intelligence...

No wait...

With your looks, and my intelligence...

Ummmn... never mind.
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Depends on what you define as a "nutter". I certainly don't think he was psychotic or had mental health issues.
Oh. My. God.

There is no point debating someone so detached from reality. But you may be the ultimate troll.
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Old 20.03.2019, 23:18
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Oh. My. God.

There is no point debating someone so detached from reality. But you may be the ultimate troll.
agree with loz. by his words and actions, i'm sure he is completely sane. probably more than some EF members.

it's a clear cut case of political terrorism.
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Old 20.03.2019, 23:41
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agree with loz. by his words and actions, i'm sure he is completely sane. probably more than some EF members.

it's a clear cut case of political terrorism.
Oh, OK then, it was political terrorism. That's the hallmark of rationality and sanity.
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Old 20.03.2019, 23:54
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agree with loz. by his words and actions, i'm sure he is completely sane. probably more than some EF members.

it's a clear cut case of political terrorism.
"i'm sure he is completely sane. probably more than some EF members." You are setting a very low bar
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