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We all like an illusion of controlling something, innit.

Which brings us back to the gun laws.
The way Trump believes he'll control illegal immigration by building a wall around USA? ....nah, not all of us.


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Depends on what you define as a "nutter". I certainly don't think he was psychotic or had mental health issues.
Then perhaps you'd agree he took literally certain ideologies that a lot of people try to legitimise these days?
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Old 21.03.2019, 10:23
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sane people don't go round killing random people
sane people don't double tap women and children

anyone who thinks otherwise, sorry, you need to get some help
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Old 21.03.2019, 10:27
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Oh. My. God.

There is no point debating someone so detached from reality. But you may be the ultimate troll.
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sane people don't go round killing random people
sane people don't double tap women and children

anyone who thinks otherwise, sorry, you need to get some help
Yeah, well, you're all wrong.

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The assumption that mental disorder is a pre-condition of terrorism

Linked to point 3, it is common that those who have committed a
violent or terrorist offence are assumed to be suffering from a mental
disorder, as ‘anyone who does this must be mentally ill’. Committing a
terrorist offence does not necessarily indicate mental disorder, nor does
it constitute any part of the diagnostic schedules for existing disorders.
Source - Ethical considerations arising from the government’s counterterrorism strategy
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Old 21.03.2019, 10:28
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Yeah, well, you're all wrong.
I'm sure I'll get over you calling me wrong lol
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Old 21.03.2019, 10:29
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"Does not necessarily indicate" isn't the same as not at all, never. Just sayin'.
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Old 21.03.2019, 10:32
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Lad, we're all Marton. There's just you, we Martons, and a bunch of marketing executives at the toilet paper manufacturers. That's it.

(Oops, first rule of the Marton club... never talk about the Marton club.)
Yeah, I got that. The anal retentiveness on the forum is spreading. First it was just marton, then StirB, but now it's omnipresent.
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Old 21.03.2019, 11:17
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Yeah, I got that. The anal retentiveness on the forum is spreading. First it was just marton, then StirB, but now it's omnipresent.
I'll have to ask FMF for investment advice for all the spare money I now have, from living rent free in your head.
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Yeah, I got that. The anal retentiveness on the forum is spreading. First it was just marton, then StirB, but now it's omnipresent.
Catching up with the omnipresent dog-whistle sound-bites, then. Ummm... innit.
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Old 21.03.2019, 11:40
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I think it‘s more than insanity. And certainly more than mental illness. It has to do with some delusions, propensity for fanaticism, some twisted moral code. I don‘t know. Does it make people feel better to label shooters as nutters? In order to succeed, they often have to be well organized, good at planning, meticulous in carrying out those plans. It‘s just that their motivation and morals seem haywire.

People with mental illnesses and those who advocate for them take exception of the mental illness label for shooters. - since mostly people with mental illnesses are more likely to be victims than perpetrators of violent acts..


But there must be some maladjustment that makes a person shoot. And it seems that white shooters are more often than not pronounced mentally ill, while brown, Islamic shooters (as an example) are fanatics. But is there any real difference?
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Old 21.03.2019, 12:06
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During the holocaust there was the coordinated extermination of 6 million Jews. That required some manpower, from Hitler to the various ministries, parts of government, army to the camp leaders and those on the ground marching them into the gas chambers.

Were all of them "nutters"? The idea that you have to be "not of sound mind" in order to carry out mass murder is ridiculous.
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Old 21.03.2019, 12:11
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During the holocaust there was the coordinated extermination of 6 million Jews. That required some manpower, from Hitler to the various ministries, parts of government, army to the camp leaders and those on the ground marching them into the gas chambers.

Were all of them "nutters"? The idea that you have to be "not of sound mind" in order to carry out mass murder is ridiculous.
Ah, we had a good run lads...200 odd pages before invoking Godwin. See y'all on the Brexit thread.
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Old 21.03.2019, 12:16
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Were all of them "nutters"?
Clearly, yes.

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Old 21.03.2019, 12:37
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sane people don't go round killing random people
sane people don't double tap women and children

anyone who thinks otherwise, sorry, you need to get some help
i'm sure the courts will conclude on this soon. let's see if he gets a reduced sentence by reason of insanity.
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Old 21.03.2019, 12:40
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i'm sure the courts will conclude on this soon. let's see if he gets a reduced sentence by reason of insanity.
Just as the insane IS girl had her UK citizenship revoked, right? Nutters have no place in the UK.
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Old 21.03.2019, 12:41
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i'm sure the courts will conclude on this soon. let's see if he gets a reduced sentence by reason of insanity.
Not sure they reduce it, more likely to put him in a super secure facility with lots of scrummy drugs to keep the voices in his head down to a dull roar.

Incarceration is because he's a danger to the public, regardless of whether he's off his trolley or not.
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Old 21.03.2019, 13:01
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During the holocaust there was the coordinated extermination of 6 million Jews. That required some manpower, from Hitler to the various ministries, parts of government, army to the camp leaders and those on the ground marching them into the gas chambers.

Were all of them "nutters"? The idea that you have to be "not of sound mind" in order to carry out mass murder is ridiculous.
I'm actually shocked that you acknowledge the holocaust happened.
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Old 21.03.2019, 13:03
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During the holocaust there was the coordinated extermination of 6 million Jews. That required some manpower, from Hitler to the various ministries, parts of government, army to the camp leaders and those on the ground marching them into the gas chambers.

Were all of them "nutters"? The idea that you have to be "not of sound mind" in order to carry out mass murder is ridiculous.
Maybe people think that if somebody kills more than one person that automatically puts him/her to "less responsible" category? The logic here or rather the lack there of is bewildering.
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Old 21.03.2019, 13:05
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Given our current state of affairs, I don't think I am the only one looking to New Zealand with envy at their Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern. She has emerged as a beacon of compassion, empathy and defiance; And in less than a week she has even managed to get semi-automatic weapons banned in her country. This is true leadership.
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Given our current state of affairs, I don't think I am the only one looking to New Zealand with envy at their Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern. She has emerged as a beacon of compassion, empathy and defiance; And in less than a week she has even managed to get semi-automatic weapons banned in her country. This is true leadership.
She's even got total unity in her own cabinet and the backing of the opposition.

Iconic leadership these days...
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Old 21.03.2019, 13:43
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But there must be some maladjustment that makes a person shoot. And it seems that white shooters are more often than not pronounced mentally ill, while brown, Islamic shooters (as an example) are fanatics. But is there any real difference?
I believe that the key difference isn't in the mental health of the perpetrator. It's in the psychological mindset of them.

Serial killers have a heightened sense of self preservation because they enjoy what they're doing. They want to repeat the experience and improve upon it each time. Even these can be split into those who crave notoriety by taunting the police and media, and those who 'quietly go about their business'.

Mass murderers can be roughly split into three categories:
Indoctrinated - desensitised. The event is repeated and becomes their heinous 'norm'.
Narcissistic / sadistic - crave the infamy, so typically strive to survive the event.
Masochistic - typically end their own lives during a singular event

Surprisingly, the masochists often have a deep connection with their victims (family, colleagues, classmates), whereas the first two tend to objectify their victims. They completely cease to see them as other human beings.
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