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I would blame it all on depression and lack of something vital in life. In the country, where you have access to and believe so much in material things where people with high egos want something more, there is simply missing some psychological elements in life e.g. love, equality, acceptance and belonging to society, true freedom and other psychological factors that determine happiness and self esteem. That void cannot be offset by the current system in place and hence it produces psychos and lunatics. The rest is just to have the wrong material things in hands of the wrong people and you know the final outcome better ...
If that was the case then I would say we are having very few mass shootings...Thank you for the generalizations.
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Crazygringo, to a certain extent it probably is American culture/attitude. As an ex-American I remember when I came over to Switzerland on a group visit with a lot of British people. We used the trains for getting from place to place and one day on one of the Zurich station platforms there were a couple of policemen who were carrying guns. The British were shocked to see this, but for me it was quite normal. It made them feel nervous, but I was the opposite - it gave me a feeling of security. British police don't carry guns as a rule, but I was familiar with this since my childhood in America so it was a normal thing for me even though I'd been out of the States for some years by then.

It has gotten worse over the years. I don't recall anyone having a gun when I was a kid. They may have had them, but they were out of sight and not talked about. And this was in Oklahoma, a pretty rough and ready State.
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Crazygringo, to a certain extent it probably is American culture/attitude. As an ex-American I remember when I came over to Switzerland on a group visit with a lot of British people. We used the trains for getting from place to place and one day on one of the Zurich station platforms there were a couple of policemen who were carrying guns. The British were shocked to see this, but for me it was quite normal. It made them feel nervous, but I was the opposite - it gave me a feeling of security. British police don't carry guns as a rule, but I was familiar with this since my childhood in America so it was a normal thing for me even though I'd been out of the States for some years by then.

It has gotten worse over the years. I don't recall anyone having a gun when I was a kid. They may have had them, but they were out of sight and not talked about. And this was in Oklahoma, a pretty rough and ready State.
America has always had a gun culture, so you can hardly blame the recent increase in random and mass gun violence on that culture. and yes, the political discourse around guns in America has become increasingly less intelligent and more polarized, but I think that is true of political discourse across much of the western world and is hardly unique to the US or the issue of guns.

the incredible increase in the frequency of random and mass gun violence in the US more or less precisely coincides with FDA approval of SSRI and then SNRI medications. most estimates suggest that roughly 1 in 10 of every Americans is presently taking a prescribed antidepressant, and roughly 1 in every 3 of those Americans presently taking a prescribed antidepressant has failed to see a mental health professional in the past 12 months. I could go on and on.
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the incredible increase in the frequency of random and mass gun violence in the US more or less precisely coincides with FDA approval of SSRI and then SNRI medications. most estimates suggest that roughly 1 in 10 of every Americans is presently taking a prescribed antidepressant, and roughly 1 in every 3 of those Americans presently taking a prescribed antidepressant has failed to see a mental health professional in the past 12 months. I could go on and on.
You'll also find it coincides with the explosion of dubious information on the web.

Nutters used to be lone voices but now they can get themselves psyched up through forums and websites created and frequented by other weirdos.
The web allows the nutters to validate their actions.
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If that was the case then I would say we are having very few mass shootings...Thank you for the generalizations.
Hear me out ...

IMHO, some of those factors, that I mentioned in the other post make individuals want to be in center of attention. That's crazy obsession with fame, so in the end blame it on "attention-seeking":

http://m.livescience.com/51991-why-a...shootings.html
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America has always had a gun culture, so you can hardly blame the recent increase in random and mass gun violence on that culture. and yes, the political discourse around guns in America has become increasingly less intelligent and more polarized, but I think that is true of political discourse across much of the western world and is hardly unique to the US or the issue of guns.

the incredible increase in the frequency of random and mass gun violence in the US more or less precisely coincides with FDA approval of SSRI and then SNRI medications. most estimates suggest that roughly 1 in 10 of every Americans is presently taking a prescribed antidepressant, and roughly 1 in every 3 of those Americans presently taking a prescribed antidepressant has failed to see a mental health professional in the past 12 months. I could go on and on.
Brits are nearly on a par at 1 in 11 yet we don't see the same incidents of mass shootings. But then guns are more strictly controlled than they are in the US.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...udy-finds.html

and according to the chart in the following link the US doesn't even make the top 10 of anti-depressant takers.

TOP TEN: THE NATION'S WITH HIGH ANTI-DEPRESSANTS CONSUMPTION

Iceland 106
Australia 89
Canada 86
Denmark 85
Sweden 79
Portugal 78
UNITED KINGDOM 71
Belgium 70
Finland 70
Spain 64
Norway 58

*Defined daily dose, per 1,000 people per day

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ts-Europe.html

Like it or not, anti-depressants are not the main cause, lax gun laws are as other countries have proven.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/02/wo...ass-shootings/
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America has always had a gun culture, the real problem lies in the intersection between our gun and pharmaceutical industries:

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicin...l.pmed.1001875

enacting effective gun control measures will not stop criminals from killing other criminals in our urban centers, but it would very definitely curb the kind of mass shootings we are seeing in our schools and outside of our urban centers. after all, nearly every mass shooting in the US shares 2 common traits - weapons that were purchased legally, and legally-prescribed, psychotropic medications.

P.S. in my experience, the people who suggest that the problem is simply the result of "American culture" or "stupidity" have no familiarity with the former but probably a fair degree of familiarity with the latter.
Are you really correlating consumption of psychiatric medication with gun crime? You hadn't maybe considered that people who take psychiatric medications do so because they suffer from psychiatric conditions? The correlation you should be pointing to is that of disease with gun crime, not treatment of disease with gun crime!

Pointing to the incidence of pill-popping and its high correlation with mass shootings just confirms that the perpetrators of these shootings are mentally ill -- surely no surprises there? Nobody "in their right mind" would think it reasonable to burst into a school and kill everyone they can find. If it weren't for antipsychotic medications, I shudder to think how many more shootings might occur every year. Incidentally, what proof is there that the shooters were taking their medication as prescribed? Sudden cessation or large variation in doses of psychiatric medications like SSRIs can have devastating consequences.

It's ridiculous (and very poor science) to blame the treatment for the consequences of a disease.
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Are you really correlating consumption of psychiatric medication with gun crime?
I don't have to correlate anything, the correlation is there to the naked eye, as is the data in the linked study with respect to certain medications and tendencies for violent behavior, particularly among younger individuals. even then, I did not blame the entirety of the situation on antidepressant medications, but rather simply highlighted the intersection between those medications and America's policies (or lack thereof) regarding guns and gun ownership.

P.S. the issue as to SSRI's and SNRI's is not just the medication, it is the fact that 1 in 3 Americans who are taking them are not under the active care of a mental health professional, which means 1 out of 3 Americans who are taking psychotropic medications are effectively self-medicating. and, as you rightly pointed out, one of the risks of self-medicating is that individuals will not take the medications as prescribed or intended and/or will simply stop taking the medications cold turkey (the dangers of which are well-documented).
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P.S. the issue as to SSRI's and SNRI's is not just the medication, it is the fact that 1 in 3 Americans who are taking them are not under the active care of a mental health professional, which means 1 out of 3 Americans who are taking psychotropic medications are effectively self-medicating. .
Google the drug Ketamine. You will find message board after message board with people using this recreational drug as self medicating for depression. As some doctors are treating their patients for depression with it. And this is one example that can't really be documented on how extensive it used for this. But it is effective. And very addictive. With people having out of body experiences. And this is just one.

There is a systematic breakdown in America that one cannot point at a single thing to say why we have this or that happening. But because things are broken people still have to find ways to go on.
I can't tell you how many medical professionals I know in ERs in the states that are taking drugs to help focus and not be depressed because the situation with the way we treat the poor and less insured, social security fraud, and the mentally ill strains the medical professionals(doctors, surgeons, and nurses) to their limits. And these are one fraction of society.
This kid who is the latest poster child of mass shootings, his mother was a nurse. But it goes further then that.
Mental illness is treated in the states like people on welfare. Cut them free from it, and if they survive on their own you just saved the state money. If they don't they get registered in rise of crime, homelessness or other state programs, but it looks like there is less of both of these problems.
We treat our citizens very poorly. So, while some can afford oversized cars and homes, many cannot seek basic necessities in a dignified manner.
This will not change until there is a rebalancing of wealth in America.
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America has always had a gun culture, the real problem lies in the intersection between our gun and pharmaceutical industries:

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicin...l.pmed.1001875

enacting effective gun control measures will not stop criminals from killing other criminals in our urban centers, but it would very definitely curb the kind of mass shootings we are seeing in our schools and outside of our urban centers. after all, nearly every mass shooting in the US shares 2 common traits - weapons that were purchased legally, and legally-prescribed, psychotropic medications.

P.S. in my experience, the people who suggest that the problem is simply the result of "American culture" or "stupidity" have no familiarity with the former but probably a fair degree of familiarity with the latter.
In this last case, the man was clearly disturbed and was known to have "issues". Some years ago, federal funding was halted for institutions designed to house people deemed to be dangerous to society. As a result, many are simply given a pot of pills and put on the streets. I'm not sure that the proposed mental health screening measures for firearm licensing will be (or can be) effective since many disturbed people are clever enough to understand the tests and give satisfactory answers. Only those who had documented time in therapy could be identified but what about the confidential 'doctor-patient' relationship? The potential for political manipulation of such tests would be - considering the need for politicians to pander to the voting public - nearly unavoidable.

A very complicated issue with no real clear solution...
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The old adage is "guns don't kill people, people kill people" - which is very true, sit a loaded gun on a table and as long as no one touches it, no one will get shot. The trouble is that doesn't happen.

The old constitution line is being wheeled out again - and fair enough it is in there, but a country that berates a religion for strictly following a historical document should surely look more closely at itself when advocating following a document written in circumstances vastly different than today.

The fact that every time this sort of thing happens there is the same debate which peaks and then declines until it drops out of the social consciousness is, for outsiders, bemusing.

The US remains a country of stark contradictions - there is outrage when a nipple is flashed at the superbowl but then the country will spend $11bn on porn! There is outrage when some high school children are shot - but nobody bats an eyelid when a hospital is bombed.

Like any nationality - Americans as individuals are fantastic but as a nation they are hard to fathom.
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Americans as individuals are fantastic but as a nation they are hard to fathom.
There's too many of them. The United States should be dissolved and a new group of federations established to replace it. That way, all the nutty liberals on the coasts can have their granola-munching, gun-free citadels of equality, the nutty "conservatives" in the middle can have their varmint-shootin', raw-meat munching lands-of-the-free, and Texas can go back to Mexico where it belongs.

Then Russia and China can take their places as leaders of the free world, Germany can have eastern Europe back again, England can ditch the Home Colonies and become a slightly damper Denmark and all will be right in the world.

How's that sound?
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............England can ditch the Home Colonies and get India and Autralian back again and become a slightly damper Denmark and all will be right in the world.

How's that sound?
Pretty good now!
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The old adage is "guns don't kill people, people kill people" - which is very true, sit a loaded gun on a table and as long as no one touches it, no one will get shot. The trouble is that doesn't happen.

The old constitution line is being wheeled out again - and fair enough it is in there, but a country that berates a religion for strictly following a historical document should surely look more closely at itself when advocating following a document written in circumstances vastly different than today.

The fact that every time this sort of thing happens there is the same debate which peaks and then declines until it drops out of the social consciousness is, for outsiders, bemusing.

The US remains a country of stark contradictions - there is outrage when a nipple is flashed at the superbowl but then the country will spend $11bn on porn! There is outrage when some high school children are shot - but nobody bats an eyelid when a hospital is bombed.

Like any nationality - Americans as individuals are fantastic but as a nation they are hard to fathom.
But you can probably say these kinds of things about any country. Another example in the US that I haven't seen anywhere else is proganda as news. Well I have seen it but not in say other democratic free countries. People still in the US are thinking that they are living with a Free Press. And people must know they are being censored, but, censoringship doesn't have to come in the form of banning one topic, but rather over talking to death your point of view that there is no air time for relevant information. While FOX pushes an agenda, CNN pushes just a few facts and a ton of speculative noise.
I have heard about mass shootings constantly since being a kid. I remember really being in shock from hearing about them until my mid 20's. But the media response is routine, and it gets to the point all this tragedy is too much for average people to take. Which might think the normal response is to take action. But in fact I think people end up tuning it out.
Like the never ending upcoming presidential election that basically started as soon as Obama was re elected. It's enough already. By the time people have a chance to vote we will just want it over with. There is no limits set on the media and even if that sounds like censorship, we are hitting sensory deprivation overload.

And about the porn...actually profits from porn have gone down alot thanks to amateur uploads...we spend 8 times as much on beer as we do on porn...
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Some data points about guns, homicide etc.
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417...states-america
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Some data points about guns, homicide etc.
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417...states-america
OK, so CH is right behind at nr. 2 for homicides, but why are we not listed in the gun-ownership table?

(Oh, I see, we are just behind Yemen at nr. 3, they just left out the name! )

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OK, so CH is right behind at nr. 2 for homicides, but why are we not listed in the gun-ownership table?

No, not right behind. A long way behind.
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OK, so CH is right behind at nr. 2 for homicides, but why are we not listed in the gun-ownership table?

(Oh, I see, we are just behind Yemen at nr. 3, they just left out the name! )

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CH has no weapons register except for military rifles, the remainder is guesswork.

Yemen has a reliable weapons register? Hmmm, I wouln't believe such a claim. These numbers probably contain a considerable portion of guesswork, too.

So the question is, who does the guessing, and what reliable facts do they rely upon. What is the situation in other countries?

The proponents for a swiss federal weapons register in CH that was proposed by a referendum not too long ago, were talking about 2.3mln guns in CH, that's in the "30% of all people" range and far below the figure in the article, roughly in the Austria/France/Finland region. No idea how reliable the figures for other countries are, but AFAIK the US have no register, either.
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Gee, it gets better and better. Went on a rampage because he didn't have a girlfriend.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34450062

And an 11 year old boy has shot an 8 year old girl because she wouldn't show him her puppy.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34450841

No drugs involved there crazygringo or mental illness. Just a plain old case of "Give me what I want or I'll shoot you."

559 children under 11 have been killed this year and 2,010 teenagers. There have been 265 mass shootings.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

America has a serious problem it simply refuses to recognise or deal with.
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