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Old 02.09.2019, 16:14
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Cops can aim, shoot and exercise shooting. A lot. Stress-situations, too.

Civilians rarely do that.

It's one thing to hit a target on a shooting range. Keeping your calm in a combat-situation with a live shooter (where you often even do not know if it's not multiple shooters, due to people reporting gunshots from where ever they are, resulting in numerous false-positives) is something completely different.
Civilians who have concealed-carry permits often go to gun ranges to practice and can be quite good shots. The practice range in my hometown is busy all the time.

Even so, I agree that being great at target practice is vastly different from actually shooting another human being with the intent to injure or kill.
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Old 02.09.2019, 16:56
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Even so, I agree that being great at target practice is vastly different from actually shooting another human being with the intent to injure or kill.
And that is also vastly different to the state of mind that would make you think it's ok to drag a young female mail delivery worker from her vehicle and shoot her dead. Getting sacked from your job and getting pulled over for not using your car signals is no justification, in any way, shape or form, for behaving in such a way. If you get sacked from your job, you go looking for another one quick smart.
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Cops can aim, shoot and exercise shooting. A lot. Stress-situations, too.


Civilians rarely do that.
I would not overestimate how well cops can aim and shoot, training is often reduced to a minimum and training in stressful situations even less (if even), I would not be surprised if a lot of civilians can handle the gun better.

And that leads to situations where police miss a lot of bullets, aim badly and way to often hit bystanders.

I recall a case some years ago near the empire state building where two cops approached somebody from behind, fired 16 times together and managed to hit 9 innocent bystanders
(I wonder if this is some kind of record)

Also when I worked at the Dutch police (not as a cop), I remember a lot of officers simply never trained due to lack of time or simply having no interest and until it became a political issue nobody actually cared.
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I recall a case some years ago near the empire state building where two cops approached somebody from behind, fired 16 times together and managed to hit 9 innocent bystanders
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Were they shooting with this??
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Were they shooting with this??
One of them had a .45 pistol, the other I have no clue, given the amount of bullets I assume the same.

Truth be told that a bunch of them were hit by shrapnel, but they should know about such and if not that is very badly.
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Ah, yes.
Shoddy training.


In Germany, beat-cop is a three year apprenticeship, IIRC.
In the states, it's 6 weeks to 3 months, IIRC.


Usually, S.W.A.T. has, as the name implies, better training.



And the militarization of the US police force has done a lot of damage on its own: police forces throughout the US have bought lots of used army equipment, which makes their appearance not very approachable and gives the people that "warzone-vibe" like they are in Fallujah.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarization_of_police
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Old 02.09.2019, 18:49
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Nowhere in the Constitution of the USA, nowhere in the Bill of Rights, is the right conferred to own or carry guns. So how the hell did we get to this situation, where everybody believes they have the "God-given right" (I am quoting an insane Texan Congressman here) to carry firearms?
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Old 02.09.2019, 19:28
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Nowhere in the Constitution of the USA, nowhere in the Bill of Rights, is the right conferred to own or carry guns. So how the hell did we get to this situation, where everybody believes they have the "God-given right" (I am quoting an insane Texan Congressman here) to carry firearms?
Guns might not be explicitly mentioned, but the right to "bear arms" is there. At the time the Constitution was written, arms generally meant your musket or your pistol.

In the years since, particularly in the 20th century, the 2nd amendment has become synonymous with gun rights.

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Old 02.09.2019, 19:43
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Guns might not be explicitly mentioned, but the right to "bear arms" is there. At the time the Constitution was written, arms generally meant your musket or your pistol.

In the years since, particularly in the 20th century, the 2nd amendment has become synonymous with gun rights.

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Exactly my point (I knew you'd get it). Arms meant one thing in the 18th century and altogether another now. Certain arms—hand grenades, automatic machine guns, switchknives, nuclear weapons—cannot legally be owned by private citizens. Why stop there? Allow citizens to bear knives, clubs, womerahs, whatever. Add all firearms to the banned, citizens-can't-be-trusted-with-these-arms list.
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It is a deep rooted problem that will require a few more generations to be solved...

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Why do so many Americans own handguns, and resist the regulation of firearms? "Protection" is the most common response, but who (or what) exactly are they protecting themselves from? And why do fact-based arguments, such as the reduction in crime rates and the dangers of having a gun in the house, fail to change minds?

Newly published research provides a partial answer. It finds handgun ownership is motivated by two distinct impulses: "The specific perceived threat of assault, and a diffuse threat of a dangerous world."

A research team led by University of Groningen psychologist Wolfgang Stroebe reports that second, vague notion of potential peril is the stronger of the two—and the one most resistant to rethinking.

"Handgun ownership and advocacy is, at least in part, a psychological phenomenon," the researchers write. "Gun ownership is predicted by various levels of perceived risk"—including the difficult-to-dislodge belief that the world is a menacing place.

The research, published in the journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, describes three studies. The first featured 839 American men, 404 of whom owned guns. They were asked a series of questions about guns and violence, including how likely they considered it that they would be violently attacked at some point in their lives.


They also responded to a set of statements designed to determine their level of "belief in a dangerous world." For example, they indicated the extent they agreed with the assertion "Any day now, chaos and lawlessness could erupt around us."

The results: Gun owners scored higher on specific personal fears and generalized anxiety. They also "believed more strongly that gun possession is an effective method of self-defense."

The second study focused exclusively on the gun owners. The vast majority owned a handgun, and just over half reported they owned three or more firearms.

"HANDGUN OWNERSHIP AND ADVOCACY IS, AT LEAST IN PART, A PSYCHOLOGICAL PHENOMENON."

Eighty-seven percent of handgun owners reported that protection/self-defense as their principal reason to own a weapon. (Only 44 percent of those who owned only long guns said the same; presumably, many are hunters who own their weapon for that specific reason.)

The researchers found that, compared to the perceived threat of personal harm, "belief in a dangerous world was the stronger predictor of the need for protection/self-defense."

"This could make it difficult to conduct persuasion campaigns aimed at dissuading handgun owners of the need to own a gun (or support limitations on gun ownership)," they write. That's because "a broader system of beliefs about the nature of the social world, and what people are like, is extremely difficult to influence."


Such mindsets are learned in childhood, and tend to shape one's thinking for the rest of one's life. Mere statistics about crime rates are no match for the strong internal conviction that the world is a menacing place.

The researchers conducted their survey just before last year's massacre at an Orlando, Florida, nightclub. Curious to see if the news coverage of that tragedy moved any minds, they assembled another group of 495 American men and asked the same questions.

The answers were essentially unchanged, which suggests beliefs about guns and protection are so deeply held that they are not swayed one way or another by news of a mass shooting.

This is frustrating news for gun-control advocates. Clearly, many American men learn early on life that a.) it's a nasty world out there, and b.) the best way to protect yourself is with a gun. Change may require the coming of age of a new, better-educated generation.
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Question for the mods> if you add someone on your ignore list, why is still possible to see his groans?
No, I'm not (really) serious now, but some things need to stop...
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I think the phrase used to describe someone like that is "Keyboard Warrior".

A person who behaves aggressively and/or in an inflammatory manner in online text-based discussion media, but at the same time does not behave similarly in real life, potentially due to cowardice, introversion or shyness.


Most of the gun lovers tend to be pretty weird people too who you probably wouldn't want to leave alone with your wife and kids - at least the ones I have met appear to be like that.
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That would be most of the US.

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I would not overestimate how well cops can aim and shoot, training is often reduced to a minimum and training in stressful situations even less (if even), I would not be surprised if a lot of civilians can handle the gun better.

And that leads to situations where police miss a lot of bullets, aim badly and way to often hit bystanders.

I recall a case some years ago near the empire state building where two cops approached somebody from behind, fired 16 times together and managed to hit 9 innocent bystanders
(I wonder if this is some kind of record)

Also when I worked at the Dutch police (not as a cop), I remember a lot of officers simply never trained due to lack of time or simply having no interest and until it became a political issue nobody actually cared.
My oldest one is a cop in toronto .Every cop in Ontario has to go to the police academy 4Month 9About same as a ( swiss Fusilier ) And every year he has to requalify .Ontario has the second biggest Police academy in North america FBI the biggest. So come to canada its save
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And these people believe Islamic terrorists are their biggest threat when barely a week goes by without another mass shooting
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Germany:

October 2, Atubahn A20 near Rostock a zebra which escaped from a circus was shot after it caused an accident on the Autobahn.

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsc...-16413933.html

October 3, Abensberg Bavaria two men were shot on a supermarket parking place. One dead, other seriously injured, alleged shooter was apprehended.

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Austria:

October 6, Kitzbühel, A 25 year old man from Tirol shot his ex-GF, her new BF, her parents, and her brother. All five are dead, alleged murderer in custody.

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Are we really going to start counting animals shot by armed civilians and law-enforcement?


I feel sorry for the Zebra, too.

But that's not a "shooting".
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Are we really going to start counting animals shot by armed civilians and law-enforcement?


I feel sorry for the Zebra, too.

But that's not a "shooting".
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Well, that qualifies:


https://www.20min.ch/ausland/news/st...Halle-11889769
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