why careful, BA? Its pretty obvious, he openly says it

Well USA bombed Serbia to get Kosovo independant and today:

Remember when USA supported the Taliban in Afghanistan?

OK, I see that you, Talk to you later and miked feel very strong about this. But again, at least what happened in France wasn't because of Albanians. I think we can partially blame it on Erdogan because he obviously has an aggressive discourse lately, but don't know if we have all the picture. I'd wait for more investigations.

I was warned off asking any questions about him whilst in Istanbul a few years back and it's kind of stuck, but looking at the Vienna attack, there's been trouble brewing there for a while with the Grey Wolves vs Sebastian Kurz. On Monday, Macron moved to ban the Grey Wolves in France. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54787028

It is weird to see young Turks marching on some streets in Western Europe, looking for a fight with Armenian immigrants. What the world has come to? All these people were looking for a better life, or at least their parents did.
Sometimes you lose hope in humanity.

And sometimes some countries try to prevent this. And are called names and blackmailed through quotas. CZ was ready to shelter hundreds of refugees who needed help, got schools ready for them, personnel, places to welcome them and house them, just to see them walk through to join existing communities (read often ghettos, unfortunately) elsewhere. I think places have to decide themselves who they want to keep, should never be forced. Some integrated in an amazing way, they also decided for themselves.

I believe change takes two generations.

Similar happened in the UK over the last century. New immigrants tend to stick to major cities. It's their kids, the ones born in the UK, who move further out to towns and rural areas. The Kosovans in the '90s were the exception. Thousands were housed in my hometown, but first chance they got, they moved to Manchester and London.

No - in CZ we built these nice places and EU made us think that it will be like that evererywhere, we got people ready to treat post traumatic situations and integrate them, respectfully. To actually at the end deal with large groups uninteresred in anything there to just sleep, eat and transit to Germany and UK, Sweden. I mean, they decided. We cannot force anyone. But then EU cannot force and redistribute at their will either, against the will of migrants and communities. It goes against successful integration.

Russian citizens among those detained in Vienna attack
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/...or-says-a71947

And yes, shall we guess their ethnicity as well?
(just don't tell me they are ethnic Russians).

Again, western powers opposing Russia to sort out the issues in the north-Caucasus. Accepting them to come to Austria as refugees. So sorry to say, but face the music now.

Russia has caused a lot of suffering there. A lot. I wouldn't be surprised if another Beslan or Dubrovka happened again.

Russia caused a lot of suffering - where? In Russia?

Beslan will be repeated? Or Vienna perhaps?

By the same culprits.

You can do better than that.

Interesting take. Chechnya is Russia, and Russia is Chechnya, n'est-ce pas? It looks like there is some truth in the theories of the Mongol-conquest mentality heritage that causes the "Oriental-despotism" with the popular acquiescence to brutal and oppressive rule.

Beslan is not even in Chechnya. Educate yourself first.

Yes, Chechnya is a part of the Russian Federation as much as Vaud is a part of the Swiss Confederation.

I wonder if they'll ban Macron for it too

Headline: France's Macron vows to crackdown on illegal immigration to counter growing 'terrorist threat'

In many French newspapers I saw indignation at how the Anglo Saxon press covered the recent terrorist attacks - they were painted as, if you excuse me the parallel, BLM-like justified rebellion of discriminated people. So, according to the arrogant Americans and Britons, the French racism causes the radicalisation of the oppressed.
The French journalists fiercely oppose such a causation and blame a militant radical islamism source of which be elsewhere.

If the latter were true, to me it would mean that any sizeable immigration of people sympathetic to such cause is a long term risk to the host population.

Indeed, that was shameful moderation, which occurs all too often.

To follow up on your point, even European leaders are realizing the terrorist threat posed from outside their borders.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN27Q2F7

Welcome back

It was funny how the Macron message was translated to American, terrorist threat is not found anywhere on French. Anyway, the main message was increase border controls (more people) and improve information sharing among police/intelligence forces in the EU.

You got a short vacation because getting a bit sentimental around the Vienna event. I even posted before that the Red Cross would be in trouble because they helped the attacker in Nice to enter the EU. I'm a bit surprised the Red Cross has not been dragged through the mud yet.

Let's get this thread back on topic. There are plenty of other threads for discussing immigration, terrorism, and politics.

Shooting in Berlin this morning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55453060