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Old 12.10.2015, 17:19
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... and again, and I am 'sorry' to insist- makes me wonder why Phos wants to live away from such a wonderful system- in such an awful one like here, where there is no lock on school doors, kids walk to school alone and go on camping trips from the age of 4. Why?
Oh, because those are 2 different things Odile, and two different places. One of the reasons I am here is to escape some of the insanity from over there. But it is quite ignorant or brainless to think you can just wish it away with another John Lennon Imagine replay. Trying to apply what works here there is no different than me carrying around a gun over here. Two separate contextual realities.

You are on the level of sentimentality. I am discussing this topic intellectually. Take a pill or something, and relax.
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One of the reasons I am here is to escape some of the insanity from over there

Glad YOU said it at last, thanks.
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Old 12.10.2015, 17:31
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One of the reasons I am here is to escape some of the insanity from over there

Glad YOU said it at last, thanks.
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Old 12.10.2015, 17:35
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2 birds, 1 stone time - take the guns away from Americans and give them to Indian women.

Reducing gun crime in the US and rape cases in India.

You know what, I should run the UN.
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Old 12.10.2015, 17:42
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That would require the CIA, FBI, ATF, Secret Service, DEA, DHS and every other TLA to smash their way into every bathroom in the United States, armed with vernier calipers...

It would never work in the US.

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So as long as the kids have the right Weltanschauung to your liking, then its okay to risk their getting shot? In fact, the more get shot, the more sentient in favour of the gun control agenda.

But what about the children? What does pushing for gun control, that may not happen for 50 years if at all, do for their current state of vulnerability? You don't see a need to beef up their security?

So is it really the children you are "concerned" about, or is it an opportunity to promote the gun control agenda?
do you seriously live your entire life in fear?



a man much wiser than me once told me, "the likelihood of your needing a gun increases exponentially the minute you start carrying one." only an absolute idiot would think that introducing more guns into the school environment will make children safer. Jesus, have you seen the rate at which American police officers seem to be killing unarmed citizens these days? you start putting armed officers in our schools and all you're going to end up with is hundreds of unarmed teenagers getting shot for "resisting arrest" or "disturbing the peace".
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Phos- where does God fit in all this btw? (I mean YOUR God, as there are so many).
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Phos- where does God fit in all this btw?
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Old 12.10.2015, 18:03
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do you seriously live your entire life in fear?



a man much wiser than me once told me, "the likelihood of your needing a gun increases exponentially the minute you start carrying one." only an absolute idiot would think that introducing more guns into the school environment will make children safer. Jesus, have you seen the rate at which American police officers seem to be killing unarmed citizens these days? you start putting armed officers in our schools and all you're going to end up with is hundreds of unarmed teenagers getting shot for "resisting arrest" or "disturbing the peace".

Wait a second, isn't the rate of school shootings the rationale you have been citing for the need for gun control? Or are just the school shootings anecdotal evidence? So then the children in schools are not in danger after all, or they are?
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Old 12.10.2015, 18:07
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Wait a second, isn't the rate of school shootings the rationale you have been citing for the need for gun control? Or are just the school shootings anecdotal evidence? So then the children in schools are not in danger after all, or they are?
Not as much danger as they would be in if there were LOADED GUNS ON CAMPUS AND IN THEIR CLASSROOMS!!!

I don't know if shouting helps, but I'll try anything to get the basic message through to you.
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Old 12.10.2015, 18:12
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Not as much danger as they would be in if there were LOADED GUNS ON CAMPUS AND IN THEIR CLASSROOMS!!!

I don't know if shouting helps, but I'll try anything to get the basic message through to you.
Well, that is sentiment. The Oregon school was a gun free zone. I believe schools and teachers are now evaluating the roles of guns in their security. Some will implement its use as a precaution. Most of its effects will not be reported - non-events. We'll then get a better reading if their presence promotes or prevents violence.

Schools where there are tightened armed security already show drops in violence.
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Phos- where does God fit in all this btw? (I mean YOUR God, as there are so many).
Please and thank you.
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Wait a second, isn't the rate of school shootings the rationale you have been citing for the need for gun control? Or are just the school shootings anecdotal evidence? So then the children in schools are not in danger after all, or they are?
c'mon, the syllogism shouldn't be this difficult to navigate, and now you're just being intentionally thick. the weapons that are being used in these random school shootings are being lawfully purchased and possessed, and the people committing these tragic acts do not have criminal pasts.

1. eliminate lawful access to the weapons being used, and even a 3rd grader can tell you that you will mitigate at least some of the risk of random shootings.

2. add armed officers to a school environment, and that same 3rd grader can tell you that you will significantly increase the likelihood of gun incidents in our schools.
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Old 12.10.2015, 18:34
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Well, a Tina Turner song comes to mind. But, I think innocent people, especially children should be protected from gun violence, well beyond using them as fodder for political agendas. I would beef up security around them, just as more and more concerned parents and teachers are considering doing.

Gun control is nowhere in practical sight, and is a pipe dream at the moment. If I thought it was a viable solution for today's reality, I would agree. Until it is, protect the ones you love.
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Not sure that answered my question. Where does God fit in all this?

What would Jesus do?
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Old 12.10.2015, 18:42
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Not sure that answered my question. Where does God fit in all this?

What would Jesus do?
I think he would tell everyone to stay out of trouble.

Thats enough of that Odile.
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Why not find a cure for why so many young Americans believe that they only way they can express their disillusionment it to get their parents gun and shoot a bunch of their classmates? (Location not important - for if you "defend" a school, the shooting will happen elsewhere - a skate park, a shopping mall, a cinema)

Armed guards will only increase a feeling of isolation from "responsible" adults - the children will see those in power as the ones that have the guns - they will want to take/have some of that power and will copy the behaviour - monkey see, monkey do.

It is better to identify and support those who may be a trouble to society - and help them work through their problems and to become functioning adults.

You clearly don't see that as a good thing, and that your view of Utopia has those in need of mental health care opressed through the threat of violence.
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I think he would tell everyone to stay out of trouble.

Thats enough of that Odile.
Enough of what?

'The proof is in the actions of those who believe. It's changed the history of the world and will continue to do so. One can deny it, but it certainly hard to ignored.

Some posters dog pile on those who exhibit faith in their posts. Then they offend with all kinds of drivel. I don't have to prove anything... except perhaps the ignorance of those who deride others.'

so people who have Faith are allowed to deride others- but others do not have the right to ask a simple and relevant question?

Would he tell people to keep out of trouble with or without a gun?

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Why not find a cure for why so many young Americans believe that they only way they can express their disillusionment it to get their parents gun and shoot a bunch of their classmates? (Location not important - for if you "defend" a school, the shooting will happen elsewhere - a skate park, a shopping mall, a cinema)

Armed guards will only increase a feeling of isolation from "responsible" adults - the children will see those in power as the ones that have the guns - they will want to take/have some of that power and will copy the behaviour - monkey see, monkey do.

It is better to identify and support those who may be a trouble to society - and help them work through their problems and to become functioning adults.

You clearly don't see that as a good thing, and that your view of Utopia has those in need of mental health care opressed through the threat of violence.
Even this, I can get on board with. Because the problem here are personal issues that needs to be addressed there. I've never believed in government actions to solve these kinds of issues. They never have, and have a dismal record of it. They're NOT that competent. It's about like the EU's effectiveness in dealing with European problems. Yeah, they'll make all kinds of symbolic actions for political posturing. Just look at how well they've managed drugs, gangs, crime, border control, and the national deficit. buahaha, and you think they can manage human nature?
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So it's just a free for all- with guns? That will work (not)
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