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Old 16.10.2015, 14:36
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Sounds like an admission that you don't know the difference, or lapses your mind in the hysteria of it all. Here is an explanation of the difference between murder and homicide:
http://criminal.lawyers.com/felonies...-homicide.html

The Legal Differences between Murder and Homicide

The terms murder and homicide are frequently interchanged; however, there is a difference between the two. Homicide is the killing of one person by another. Murder is a form of criminal homicide, where the perpetrator intended to kill the other person, sometimes with premeditation (a plan to kill). Manslaughter is another type of criminal homicide.

Homicides are criminal, excusable, or justifiable. A criminal homicide is unjustifiable, with consequences being severe. An excusable or justifiable homicide is one without criminal intent to kill someone. Examples of excusable or justifiable homicide would be someone killing someone else as a means of self defense, or defending another person, or law enforcement who kills someone in the line of duty.
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Old 16.10.2015, 14:47
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FBI press release:
"There were an estimated 14,196 murders last year."[i.e. in 2013]

"Firearms were used in 69 percent of the nationís murders, 40 percent of robberies, and 21.6 percent of aggravated assaults (weapons data is not collected on rape incidents)."

Wiki says 11,208 homicides in 2013 according to CDC

Thus more than 9700 murders by firearm in 2013, about 1500 "other" homicides by firearm including by law enforcement officers and similar.

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Old 16.10.2015, 14:50
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Yes, Phos, and? You've confirmed what I said, that "justifiable" homicides are a subset of all homicides -- with just about all the rest being murders. So what I wrote stands, correct.

And look what I just saw. Yay, U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! Leading the world again! Looks like them guns is workin' out jus' fine!

(It's from here, not that you really need references, do you, Phos?)
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Old 16.10.2015, 14:52
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This is so much easier, right, Phos?
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Old 16.10.2015, 15:02
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Yes, Phos, and? You've confirmed what I said, that "justifiable" homicides are a subset of all homicides -- with just about all the rest being murders. So what I wrote stands, correct.

And look what I just saw. Yay, U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! Leading the world again! Looks like them guns is workin' out jus' fine!

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Do you know how many of those UK rapes involve sheep and the Welsh? or is there anothe column for that?

Remember 22yards the gun laws aren't the only crazy US laws: For example it is only illegal to marry your cousin in Utah if either of you are under 65 years old; You can't photograph rabbits (between January and April) in Wyoming without a permit; In Indiana it is illegal to use public transport within 4 hours of eating garlic or an onion; It's illegal to flirt in San Antonio, Texas; Its illegal for men with moustaches to kiss women in Nevada; and finally, in Washington, you can be arrested and fined for harassing BigFoot.

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Old 16.10.2015, 15:10
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Yes, Phos, and? You've confirmed what I said, that "justifiable" homicides are a subset of all homicides -- with just about all the rest being murders. So what I wrote stands, correct.

And look what I just saw. Yay, U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! Leading the world again! Looks like them guns is workin' out jus' fine!

(It's from here, not that you really need references, do you, Phos?)

You realise that is reflection of good apprehension of criminals and police following through with prosecution, and execution of justice. In the UK and others, if the police don't follow through, not much can be done. "Rape? What rape? They said you asked for it". :roll eyes:

i believe the UK calls it "no-criming".
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Old 16.10.2015, 15:16
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Hmmmm,

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Old 16.10.2015, 15:17
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You realise that is reflection of good apprehension of criminals and police following through with prosecution, and execution of justice. In the UK and others, if the police don't follow through, not much can be done. "Rape? What rape? They said you asked for it". :roll eyes:

i believe the UK calls it "no-criming".
I'm not sure that branching out from discussion of one area of crime where you demonstrably know nothing to another about which you also know nothing, in a country you know nothing about, is a good idea.
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Old 16.10.2015, 15:20
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I'm not sure that branching out from discussion of one area of crime where you demonstrably know nothing to another about which you also know nothing, in a country you know nothing about, posting is a good idea.
If instead of focusing on quantity of posts Phos you actually focussed on quality we might get somewhere.

Perhaps we should ask simple questions and see if you answer them.

1) If there were no guns (and bullets) would anyone be shot?
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Old 16.10.2015, 15:30
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1) If there were no guns (and bullets) would anyone be shot?
Statistics show that there is a 1:452,649 chance of weasels slipping on mouldy leaves in New Hampshire in November, while hunting for short-haired shrew and field mice. Extrapolating this proven, incontrovertible fact that I just made up or adapted using my unique proprietary mathematical processes to the impossible-to-implement-or-even-imagine (oh, that reminds me, go and play John Lennon's Imagine) scenario you've suggested, I can say with absolute certainty that yes, 17 people per day would be shot, murdered and homicided by guns. That works out to only 428,854 per year, which is less than the population of New York City, so if everyone bought lottery tickets on their next flight, we could eradicate the problem of unreported rapes in Scotland.
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I'm making the case that, similar to the Cold War, laxed US gun laws foster an arms race between criminals and the rest of the population including law enforcement.

Because a criminal, say a burglar, has to fear being killed he gets a gun for himself and will be relatively trigger happy while on tour. Not because he would want to kill, but to avoid being killed himself. By preparing himself mentally to use the gun while on tour he's also lowered the mental threshold to use it in different circumstances. After all, what's a gun worth unless you're willing to use it, right?

Case in point:
Police personnel that carry no gun by default (Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland, New Zealand). The UK for instance counted 26 officers killed on duty since 2000, less than two per year.

If the USA had a proportionate rate (based on population size, can't be bothered to look up size of police force) that would amount to about 6 per year instead of the 47 killed by alone gunfire in 2014 (according to imdp.org, looks like a police veteran site).

But of course the weapon factories can't have falling profits so instead of letting cooler heads prevail they initiated a campaign completely based on fear 30 years ago, and the american public still hasn't seen thru the lie.

That gets thousands killed each year that would otherwise still live.
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Another, more-on-topic law is the following: cocksnotglocks

Texas State law to allow carrying concealed weapons on University campuses. Dildos must also remain concealed.
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Old 16.10.2015, 15:43
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Texas State law to allow carrying concealed weapons on University campuses. Dildos must also remain concealed.
You'd look really silly if that had already been posted 3 times

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I guess I need to check into this thread more often. It looks like all of you guys are close to solving the problem.
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Statistics show that there is a 1:452,649 chance of weasels slipping on mouldy leaves in New Hampshire in November, while hunting for short-haired shrew and field mice. Extrapolating this proven, incontrovertible fact that I just made up or adapted using my unique proprietary mathematical processes to the impossible-to-implement-or-even-imagine (oh, that reminds me, go and play John Lennon's Imagine) scenario you've suggested, I can say with absolute certainty that yes, 17 people per day would be shot, murdered and homicided by guns. That works out to only 428,854 per year, which is less than the population of New York City, so if everyone bought lottery tickets on their next flight, we could eradicate the problem of unreported rapes in Scotland.
I'm impressed. You been taking lessons from Phos?
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I'm worried - 8 posts on this thread without one from Phos.

Could someone pop round and see if he's OK ?
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Old 17.10.2015, 23:43
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I'm worried - 8 posts on this thread without one from Phos.

Could someone pop round and see if he's OK ?
Hey, come on, its the weekend. And I'm not sitting around bored at work. And no, I have not been shot.

Anyways, you folks are barking up the wrong tree with this gun control and school shootings thing. It explains why you aren't getting anywhere. Well I tried. But the good news is that gun ownership is not mandatory. And those who want to can buy one. That is how it is suppose to be.

The issue with school shootings and random shooting really have little to do with guns. An example article earlier reported on a boy who was in the process of building bombs. That information is becoming more and more available. When it becomes widespread, would you advocate the censoring or banning of the internet? I think not, and I'll rest my gun control case there.

Now, for those who are serious about their concerns for school shootings, not just for weird leftist agendas, but seriously concerned about lives of innocent people, you need to look at the pattern of these shooters. I think you will find that MANY of them have been taking anti-depressants during or prior to the shootings. Especially SSRI (Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor) drugs. And what you are seeing these days in America are partly the result of over prescribing drugs to students whose TEACHERS say they cannot sit still in class.

Now, you have proven to be pretty useless against the NRA. I suspect the Pharma/Medical will be hopeless for you as well. And as for taking on teachers, well hell, that is YOUR side, isn't it?

But anyway, I need to run out and enjoy the evening. If you really believe in something, go fight for it. Just KNOW exactly what it is you are fighting for. Good luck! Or bad luck if you are fighting against the wrong thing!

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A shooting at Florida Zombie Con, which was attended by 20'000 people, left 1 man dead, 4 wounded
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So far in 2015, police have shot and killed 789 people in the US. 28 of them were black and unarmed. At least 74 of the 789 were unarmed.

A black man waiting in his broken-down car in Florida is one of the latest to be killed by police in the US.
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Sweden.

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