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I haven't actually offered my personal opinion as much as telling you factually what is taking place in America.
Well maybe you ought to rather than just cutting and pasting?

This is a discussion forum, after all.
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Old 04.12.2015, 12:51
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You folks are just fanboing a topic from a static position without understanding the realities behind it, which is just as good as a "conversation" with dogmatic religious fanatics. You response indicate you're not really interested in a conversation as much as propagating your views and emotions. You're not thinking around what is being said. You're attempting mob mentality instead geniune thought. It doesn't impress me. Say something real, beyond repeat and recycled shrillness.
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Old 04.12.2015, 12:52
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You folks are just fanboing a topic from a static position without understanding the realities behind it, which is just as good as a "conversation" with dogmatic religious fanatics. You response indicate you're not really interested in a conversation as much as propagating your views and emotions. You're not thinking around what is being said. You're attempting mob mentality instead geniune thought. It doesn't impress me. Say something real, beyond repeat and recycled shrillness.
Pot kettle much?
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Old 04.12.2015, 12:53
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Pot kettle much?
See? Case in point. I must be a one person mob.
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Old 04.12.2015, 13:09
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You folks are just fanboing a topic from a static position without understanding the realities behind it, which is just as good as a "conversation" with dogmatic religious fanatics. You response indicate you're not really interested in a conversation as much as propagating your views and emotions.
Just so you are aware you are winning this argument with experience.
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Old 04.12.2015, 13:17
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Reality is that as long as the people have too easy access to guns, the world will see not less but more similar shootings. Carrying more guns because there are shootings, it won't solve the problem. It will rather maximize risk of more accidents. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Kids will know it (maybe not in America). Simples.
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Old 04.12.2015, 13:23
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In order to reduce gun violence Donald Trump will issue every American with a bullet with their name on it.

A unique idea

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Old 04.12.2015, 13:26
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Just so you are aware you are winning this argument with experience.
Look, arguments are determined by realities, not by useless and ineffective sentiments and shrillness.
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Old 04.12.2015, 14:11
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In order to reduce gun violence Donald Trump will issue every American with a bullet with their name on it.
I raise you 'Bullet Control'

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Old 04.12.2015, 14:20
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And here you are talking about a topic in America which shows you clearly do not even understand it. Your sentiments are like hot air coming from your behind in comparison.
I wasn't sure why you felt you were more qualified than anyone else on this thread on the subject of the excess of guns in the U.S.
It can't just be because you are from the U.S. as many other peoploe are as well on this forum and they don't have the same extreme views.

So is it:
  • You're all sentimental about the old Wild West?
  • You're a gun nut and/or a member of the NRA?
  • You've actually one of those people who have committed a gun crime?
  • You've stopped a mass shooting single-handedly with a concealed weapon?
  • You've imagined that you've stopped a mass shooting single-handedly with a concealed weapon?
  • You feel inadequate in some way and want to hold a big weapon in your hand?
  • Other? - please describe in your own words.
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Old 04.12.2015, 14:31
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

3500 Americans killed by domestic terrorists in the last 15 years vs 3500 killed by domestic firearms in the last 5 weeks is a pretty sobering statistic.
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Old 04.12.2015, 14:34
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I wasn't sure why you felt you were more qualified than anyone else on this thread on the subject of the excess of guns in the U.S.
It can't just be because you are from the U.S. as many other peoploe are as well on this forum and they don't have the same extreme views.

So is it:
  • You're all sentimental about the old Wild West?
  • You're a gun nut and/or a member of the NRA?
  • You've actually one of those people who have committed a gun crime?
  • You've stopped a mass shooting single-handedly with a concealed weapon?
  • You've imagined that you've stopped a mass shooting single-handedly with a concealed weapon?
  • You feel inadequate in some way and want to hold a big weapon in your hand?
  • Other? - please describe in your own words.
First of all, you miss the point by calling it my sentiments. Have a read through this and see how officials and academics are saying it, and you'll see that it isn't a matter of my sentiments:
Legally armed citizens urged to act as deterrents against mass shootings, terrorism

Secondly, I believe you are being ignorant in espousing and trying to impose an opinion of a reality you don't really understand. You don't even understand its history, nor even understand the NRA.

For example, the NRA was originally an organization for gun control advocacy. Its intent was proper gun ownership as a reaction to the proliferation of guns after the civil war. It was actually advocating for the safety African Americans, and sought their protection.

You keep commenting about a reality you don't have the wherewithal to know and understand, from the other side of the world you live in. High horse, no? I'm explaining to you what it looks like from their level. I've been there and I know it.
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Old 04.12.2015, 14:37
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

It's pretty simple. Guns are currently a part of the US.

While you have lots of guns around, you're going to have more gun deaths than if there weren't lots of guns around. Not rocket science.

In the US, people get to vote and campaign for change. So far, it seems that as a nation, it has been decided that they will keep guns.

Gun deaths are unfortunate, but they are the price that is paid to have guns.
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Look, arguments are determined by realities, not by useless and ineffective sentiments and shrillness.
this is what men like Thomas Jefferson said, when they permitted millions of Americans to remain enslaved.
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Old 04.12.2015, 14:59
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So is it:
  • You're all sentimental about the old Wild West?
  • You're a gun nut and/or a member of the NRA?
  • You've actually one of those people who have committed a gun crime?
  • You've stopped a mass shooting single-handedly with a concealed weapon?
  • You've imagined that you've stopped a mass shooting single-handedly with a concealed weapon?
  • You feel inadequate in some way and want to hold a big weapon in your hand?
  • You believe in the wisdom of the founding fathers and respect the constitution

  • You know that America is not an island like GB and OZ and even if you could rein in the 300 million existing guns in circulation, there's a mexican cartel or 50 that would love to diversify from smuggling only drugs to America...seriously, have we learned nothing on the war on drugs?

  • Speaking of Mexico, they have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world and it hasn't seemed to slow down the much more prevalant mass shootings
see above
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see above
Or

* You believe in the wisdom of the founding fathers and respect the constitution, and they clearly didn't mean the second amendment to allow any idiot to have an assault rifle.

* Most people aren't going to buy a gun from a Mexican cartel so their kid can shoot them, or their schoolmates

* One country, one example. Or consider the UK, Germany, France, etc etc as counter examples.
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Old 04.12.2015, 15:29
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this is what men like Thomas Jefferson said, when they permitted millions of Americans to remain enslaved.
It's difficult to keep men enslaved when they have guns.
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Old 04.12.2015, 15:30
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It's pretty simple. Guns are currently a part of the US.
It always has been, and as historical fact, it is objective reality. You can disagree with it, but it doesn't change it. I can agree the world could be a better place if there were no guns, but that IF is hypothetical and imaginary.

One can try self-hypnosis to deal with it, and chant mantras about gun control endlessly. Except objective reality is not altered by self-hypnosis, and does not affect other people who do not hypnotise themselves into some other imagined alternate reality.

Well, one can also try to proselytize their belief, which appears to be what others are trying to do here. Sure, have a sing-song, play John Lennon's "Imagine" endlessly if you'd like, but other people are currently trying to deal with their realities in a real way. They'll forego sentiments for practicality and pragmatism.

Forget trying to impose your self-hypnosis and sentiments on others. I don't think they are interested, nor does it work. Try reasoning instead of trying to obliterate objective reality. One is more likely to get real outcomes.
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Or

* You believe in the wisdom of the founding fathers and respect the constitution, and they clearly didn't mean the second amendment to allow any idiot to have an assault rifle.

* Most people aren't going to buy a gun from a Mexican cartel so their kid can shoot them, or their schoolmates

* One country, one example. Or consider the UK, Germany, France, etc etc as counter examples.
1) At the very beginning of the declaration of independence, these same founding fathers said:

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This gives clear right to the people to overthrow a government it deems as corrupt and oppresive. Its uniquely paired with the right to bear arms. Now, of course they didnt mention automatic weapons by name, those types of weapons were not around. But it is a logical next step that as technology evolves so does the access.

2) Do people buy drugs directly from the Mexican cartel? The cartels will just bring the guns across the border, there will be unsavory people lining up in the USA to distribute them. If the "bad guys" want guns they will get them, laws be damned. Why do so many shootings happen in states with strict gun laws or in gun free zones? It only punishes the law abiding citizens who do not wish to harm anyone.

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Are you sure you want to use France as an example of how effective strict gun laws can be?
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Old 04.12.2015, 15:42
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* One country, one example. Or consider the UK, Germany, France, etc etc as counter examples.
You mean Americans should just become cheese eating surrender monkeys?

Sorry, that meme cracks me up and I just couldn't help myself.
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