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It always has been, and as historical fact, it is objective reality. You can disagree with it, but it doesn't change it. I can agree the world could be a better place if there were no guns, but that IF is hypothetical and imaginary.

One can try self-hypnosis to deal with it, and chant mantras about gun control endlessly. Except objective reality is not altered by self-hypnosis, and does not affect other people who do not hypnotise themselves into some other imagined alternate reality.

Well, one can also try to proselytize their belief, which appears to be what others are trying to do here. Sure, have a sing-song, play John Lennon's "Imagine" endlessly if you'd like, but other people are currently trying to deal with their realities in a real way. They'll forego sentiments for practicality and pragmatism.

Forget trying to impose your self-hypnosis and sentiments on others. I don't think they are interested, nor does it work. Try reasoning instead of trying to obliterate objective reality. One is more likely to get real outcomes.
maybe you should lay off whatever drugs you are taking before posting on EF. what's with all this self-hypnosis business?

i can't quite tell if you are trying to disagree with me that guns are part of the current reality in the US or are having some kind of epileptic episode while sat at the computer.

maybe re-group, re-read and try again?
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:07
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Surprise, surprise.

California shooter 'pledged allegiance to IS'
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:12
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After such consoling news, everyone across the US should be rewarded by being equipped with Magnum 45's from the east to the west coast ... Not.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:13
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I'm surprised by the success that these groups have in radicalising resident populations.

Maybe food for thought for countries with significant Muslim populations currently fighting against ISIS.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:15
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Maybe food for thought for countries with significant Muslim populations currently fighting against ISIS.
And maybe also for countries presently without significant Muslim populations but being pressurized by Merkel into acquiring some.
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I think you miss the point.

I think you'd like to propagate this sentiment of some utopia that might be possible. But you ignore the objective realities as they exist today. And then, you get upset when someone blows up your self-hypnosis by telling you how it is. It's NOT how I want it, it is how IT IS. And so you attribute all pro gun stances to me. It's laughable.

I mean, I am holding this conversation just on factual information, with no opinion of my own. You only have these sentiments. Good for you. But know the difference.
You are entitled to your opinion- but it does make me wonder. why on earth you would want to stay and live here- in this possible state of utopia where guns are rarely used against its citizens? If gun ownership and use is so important to you and your way of life?
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:19
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You are entitled to your opinion- but it does make me wonder. why on earth you would want to stay and live here- in this possible state of utopia where guns are rarely used against its citizens? If gun ownership and use is so important to you and your way of life?
Ah, but you see, Odile, Phos has no opinion on the matter. He is simply a neutral, unbiased purveyor of facts on gun control (as reviewed and authorised by the NRA).
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:26
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maybe you should lay off whatever drugs you are taking before posting on EF. what's with all this self-hypnosis business?

i can't quite tell if you are trying to disagree with me that guns are part of the current reality in the US or are having some kind of epileptic episode while sat at the computer.

maybe re-group, re-read and try again?
I'm not the one going around trying to avoid reality here. Like I said, Guns are a fact in the US, and it isn't a matter of opinion. The whining about gun control is irrelevant and is just intellectual wanking at this point in time.


Like the joke I said, this has nothing to do with Gun Ownership.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:29
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I'm not the one going around trying to avoid reality here. Like I said, Guns are a fact in the US, and it isn't a matter of opinion. The whining about gun control is irrelevant and is just intellectual wanking at this point in time.
OK. So you agreed with everything I said.

That's kinda scary.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:30
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OK. So you agreed with everything I said.

That's kinda scary.
Well, if you would lay off the drugs and read before you react, you might have noticed that is what I have been saying.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:31
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Like the joke I said, this has nothing to do with Gun Ownership.
Right. That's why this thread is titled "A shooting just happened in ..." Much as you'd love everything to be a platform for your factual views on Gun Ownership (sic), it's not.
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Well, if you would lay off the drugs and read before you react, you might have noticed that is what I have been saying.
What I have said I said, and as historical fact, it is objective reality. You can disagree with it, but it doesn't change it. I can agree the world could be a better place if your writing was more coherent, but that IF is hypothetical and imaginary.

One can try self-hypnosis to deal with it, and chant mantras about clarity and logic endlessly. Except objective reality is not altered by self-hypnosis, and does not affect other people who do not hypnotise themselves into some other imagined alternate reality.

Well, one can also try to proselytize their belief, which appears to be what others are trying to do here. Sure, have a sing-song, play John Lennon's "Imagine" endlessly if you'd like, but other people are currently trying to deal with their realities in a real way. They'll forego sentiments for practicality and pragmatism.

Forget trying to impose your self-hypnosis and sentiments on others. I don't think they are interested, nor does it work. Try reasoning instead of trying to obliterate objective reality. One is more likely to get real outcomes.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:33
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Just note, on that same morning, Obama said America is safe from ISIS. Just as he declared them contained on the morning of the Paris attack

Please send an alert out the next time he says something to the same effect.
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Right. That's why this thread is titled "A shooting just happened in ..." Much as you'd love everything to be a platform for your factual views on Gun Ownership (sic), it's not.
I love this thread. It's guaranteed to pop up know and again and is fun every time.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:37
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I love this thread. It's guaranteed to pop up know and again and is fun every time.
I disagree. Every time this thread pops up, it means that there is some kind of evil going on in this world. There are real people suffering and those who lost the beloved ones. It's like a tribute to human suffering and the victims who happened to be shot somewhere in the world. It also remind us that we are lucky to be alive, should be happy and cherish every moment in life.
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Just note, on that same morning, Obama said America is safe from ISIS. Just as he declared them contained on the morning of the Paris attack

Please send an alert out the next time he says something to the same effect.
Aaaah, I get you now. Obama is responsible for all gun violence in the US, because he is a Democrat and also slightly black*, and wasn't even born in the US anyway.

Also, the Republican President George W Bush (one of the best things ever to happen to the US since the Republican President George HW Bush) never ever ever said "Mission Accomplished" with regard to the Iraq War that paved the way for the rise of IS. And that's a fact, because I said so.

*Yeah, I know, you even have a friend who's black, and has an autistic child to boot.
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You are entitled to your opinion- but it does make me wonder. why on earth you would want to stay and live here- in this possible state of utopia where guns are rarely used against its citizens? If gun ownership and use is so important to you and your way of life?
Oh, you can own guns here. Well, at least some of us can.
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Old 04.12.2015, 18:49
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hmmmm,

We’ve had a massive decline in gun violence in the United States. Here’s why.

Except it is increasing in gun-free zones. No surprise there. So imagine what kind of response to this data will be.
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I disagree. Every time this thread pops up, it means that there is some kind of evil going on in this world. There are real people suffering and those who lost the beloved ones. It's like a tribute to human suffering and the victims who happened to be shot somewhere in the world. It also remind us that we are lucky to be alive, should be happy and cherish every moment in life.
Then stop posting.
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Give or take 3.5 per 100,000 are killed each year in the US by a gun related homicide.

This is give or take 1/3 the number of road deaths per year - equating to 1.1 deaths per million miles. Absolute deaths peaked in the early 70s and over 50,000 per year equating to around 5 deaths per million miles.

Since then the US has implemented federal level controls to make roads safer - energy absorbing bumpers, seat belts, airbags etc etc.

Yet in the same time gun deaths increased (in the 90s) and are now back at their 1970s level.
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hmmmm,

We’ve had a massive decline in gun violence in the United States. Here’s why.

Except it is increasing in gun-free zones. No surprise there. So imagine what kind of response to this data will be.
Do you bother reading other people's posts?

The US is back at 1970s level.
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