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Old 04.12.2015, 19:16
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hmmmm,

We’ve had a massive decline in gun violence in the United States. Here’s why.

Except it is increasing in gun-free zones. No surprise there. So imagine what kind of response to this data will be.
Did you read the whole article that you linked? Firstly, the rate of deaths by firearm has not decreased significantly since 1999 -- but it's always much more dramatic to cherry-pick a starting date and trumpet a "massive decline in gun violence" than to scream out "we've done nothing to improve the rate of gun deaths in the last 16 years!", isn't it? Also, you'll note that the rate of gun suicide has been increasing steadily for the last 9 years -- but maybe you think that doesn't require attention?

Secondly, the reporter proposes five reasons for the decline in gun deaths in the US, none of which have anything to do with encouraging citizens to carry guns in self-defence. Just imaging how much lower the rate of death by firearm -- especially suicide -- could be if firearms were taken out of the mix.

But go ahead, recite your platitudes, stick to the NRA line and ignore logic. It's much easier to read a headline and recycle it onto the internet, I'm sure.
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Old 04.12.2015, 19:18
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Do you bother reading other people's posts?

The US is back at 1970s level.
ah, you think other EF posts have more weight than Washington Post and Harvard studies?
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Old 04.12.2015, 19:20
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ah, you think other EF posts have more weight than Washington Post and Harvard studies?
Take from the Justice Bureau

You're not particularly good at this are you.
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Old 04.12.2015, 19:28
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Also, you'll note that the rate of gun suicide has been increasing steadily for the last 9 years -- but maybe you think that doesn't require attention?
Not as much. I think the biggest concern of gun ownership proponents are the protection of innocent victims, and not just statistical volume. For those who put themselves intentionally in harms way, there is not a lot anyone can do about it.

So I think we'll see in the coming months where the US stands on the issue, by the security measures they take, the amount of firearms they buy, and any changes to gun control laws. I understand they just blocked legislation, and officials are outright calling for more gun ownership. I think those will weigh much more heavily than any naming and ad hominems you can do here. 'til then.
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Old 04.12.2015, 22:26
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The NRA and the politicians:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2.../nra.html?_r=0
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This video alone should question your mind as to who is actually behind the shooting...

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This video alone should question your mind as to who is actually behind the shooting...

For quantitative studies novices I can recommend Joel Best's short book 'Damned Lies and Statistics'. Though it lacks in-depth analysis and strives too hard to be politically correct (so as to not piss off major stakeholders like the tobacco industry, food lobbyists, big pharma etc), the writer gives a good overview on the major mistakes many make in reading quantitative data.
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Old 05.12.2015, 15:22
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This video alone should question your mind as to who is actually behind the shooting...

Does that video prove to you that IS played no part in the massacre and that the real shadowy force behind it all was (let me guess...) the US government (the same government that staged the 9/11 attacks)?

There must be a YouTube video somewhere that proves all that, so I'm sure it must be true.

Awwww... bless.
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50 years of mass-shootings:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...gs-in-america/
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Old 06.12.2015, 17:41
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An American politician thinks this is an appropriate family Christmas card!
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Old 06.12.2015, 18:09
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An American politician thinks this is an appropriate family Christmas card!
That card has got to be fake.

There is no way everyone in the family would agree to wear matching red shirts and jeans.
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Old 06.12.2015, 18:11
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An American politician thinks this is an appropriate family Christmas card!
And the brief CNN article to explain it. At first glance this doesn't seem overly shocking or different from some other cards I've seen or received over the years.

Then I spotted the semiautomatic pistol in the hands of the 5-year old.
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Old 06.12.2015, 18:13
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An American politician thinks this is an appropriate family Christmas card!
An American state politician (NV) whose constituents have voted for her twice already, so yes, in her case- it probably is appropriate.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Fiore

BTW- NV is the farthest west you can go geographically and still be "out West".
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Old 06.12.2015, 21:55
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BTW- NV is the farthest west you can go geographically and still be "out West".
Any further west and you're in Loony Tunes Land.
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Old 06.12.2015, 22:24
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Meanwhile in gun controlled England the latest islamic terrorist has to make do with a knife
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-terror-motive

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Old 06.12.2015, 23:20
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Meanwhile in gun controlled England the latest islamic terrorist as to make do with a knife
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-terror-motive

Now everyone in England has to get a Swiss army knife . And screw the terrorists

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Old 07.12.2015, 18:37
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I disagree. Every time this thread pops up, it means that there is some kind of evil going on in this world. There are real people suffering and those who lost the beloved ones. It's like a tribute to human suffering and the victims who happened to be shot somewhere in the world. It also remind us that we are lucky to be alive, should be happy and cherish every moment in life.
When was the last time you saw major headlines on a terroris attack in Pakistan or Afghanistan? Aside from Iraq and Nigeria these are the countries most afflicted by terrorism, India is number six on the same list.

No news on bad stuff is not the same as no bad stuff happening.
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Old 07.12.2015, 21:20
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Now try to suggest to masses that ban on guns should be introduced ...

The US Supreme court has refused to take up a case brought by gun owners challenging an Illinois city's ban on so-called assault weapons.

US Supreme Court will not hear 'assault weapons ban' case
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35031293
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Now try to suggest to masses that ban on guns should be introduced ...

The US Supreme court has refused to take up a case brought by gun owners challenging an Illinois city's ban on so-called assault weapons.

US Supreme Court will not hear 'assault weapons ban' case
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35031293
Which just goes to show that everywhere in the US west of Iceland (and NOT NV) is Loony Tunes Land.
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Old 07.12.2015, 21:30
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When was the last time you saw major headlines on a terroris attack in Pakistan or Afghanistan? Aside from Iraq and Nigeria these are the countries most afflicted by terrorism, India is number six on the same list.

No news on bad stuff is not the same as no bad stuff happening.
I'm sure that in Pakistan, terrorist attacks in Pakistan do make it to the headlines.
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