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Old 14.12.2015, 16:53
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Same with your posts. Except there's more than one echo (or Esto) when you do it.
So why are you fanboing US Gun ownership? I suppose if you don't like it, you simply don't go. Like, I am 100% against monkey brain eating. So my solution is simple. I don't go to where there is monkey brain eating going on. Simple, no?
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Old 14.12.2015, 17:08
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Suicides are self-inflicted and can be accomplished in other ways without guns. I don't see how that relates to gun laws.
Hey, there is an echo in here! We've had this discussion before. The facts clearly show (e.g. in Australia -- yes, that one again, but it's a great example of a country that suddenly imposed strict gun control, so the before- and after-effects can be clearly seen) that suicide rates decline when guns are not freely available. Researchers surmise that suicide by firearm is easy, painless, usually effective (although not 100%) and makes a huge statement. Suicide by other methods can be more daunting and some people backtrack from their plans to kill themselves when faced with doubt that their (non-firearm) method will work, or that they will feel pain. So in short, gun laws result in reduced rates of suicide. Proven fact.

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The same goes for accidental deaths. Accidents can happen with anything. I think some proper training would help with these kinds of incidents.
You made this statement with reference to toddlers accidentally shooting themselves and others, remember? Your premise here is that if guns weren't left lying around, toddlers would actively seek out alternative ways to kill themselves and others. Interesting idea. I think you'll find that removing guns would remove one of the dangers to toddlers, and that all other means for toddlers to kill themselves and others exist whether guns are present or not. I'll leave you to figure out the probable impact of gun control in this case, and to contemplate the sheer ridicule your statement invites.
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Old 14.12.2015, 17:17
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Oh, you can also call for a ban sharp objects, poisonous materials, tall buildings and bridges.
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Old 14.12.2015, 17:20
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You might want to think on this a bit:

So far in the U.S. in 2015:
  • 13 toddlers have killed themselves with guns
  • 18 other small children injured themselves
  • 10 injured other people
  • Two killed other people

According to the US Govt here there are around 23 thousand infant deaths per year (detailed breakdown of causes in table 21) so there are very many major causes of infant deaths to fix before we start looking at the 0.06% caused by guns.

In 2013 around 270 infants were murdered without the use of firearms so US people do "use whatever" to murder!
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Old 14.12.2015, 17:26
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You might want to think on this a bit:

So far in the U.S. in 2015:
  • 13 toddlers have killed themselves with guns
  • 18 other small children injured themselves
  • 10 injured other people
  • Two killed other people


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I am 100% against monkey brain eating. So my solution is simple. I don't go to where there is monkey brain eating going on. Simple, no?
Why are you against monkey brain eating?

Actually, we were planning on eating brains on Wednesday, but I can't find the pack that I was sure that was in the freezer, but will look again after work.

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So why are you fanboing US Gun ownership? I suppose if you don't like it, you simply don't go. Like, I am 100% against monkey brain eating. So my solution is simple. I don't go to where there is monkey brain eating going on. Simple, no?
stop being racist against monkey brains!
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Old 14.12.2015, 17:39
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OK, you win
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Old 14.12.2015, 17:45
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Why are you against monkey brain eating?

Actually, we were planning on eating brains on Wednesday, but I can't find the pack that I was sure that was in the freezer, but will look again after work.

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stop being racist against monkey brains!

I've had cow brain in Mexico. But where they hammer the head of a live monkey open is way too cruel for me. Although I'm not about to harp on some other culture for what they do in their spare time, nor fanboi the topic. That would be ignorant, racist, and bigoted.
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Old 14.12.2015, 18:33
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Unintentional Poisoning

In Oklahoma, around 70% of those are due to prescription painkillers overdose.

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Old 14.12.2015, 18:34
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Unintentional Poisoning

In Oklahoma, around 70% of those are due to prescription painkillers overdose.
Oh, wow, that is high. Lets ban painkillers.
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Old 14.12.2015, 19:01
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Oh, wow, that is high. Lets ban painkillers.
No, that would be ridiculous. Instead, let's just make piss-taking comments, stick our fingers in our ears while singing "la-la-la-la-la" (or of course, John Lennon's Imagine), and pretend the 32,383 firearms deaths highlighted in the graphic above never happened, and even if they did, would have happened anyway even if guns weren't freely available.

Until you or a close family member or friend is killed by a gun.
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Old 14.12.2015, 19:34
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I see this as an issue of people taking personal responsibility for themselves. You see this as an issue of taking away personal responsibility from people. I don't believe people should take less responsibility for themselves. We don't really see ourselves as farm animals in the US to be herded by some authority. Its fine for some cultures in some countries as they wish. It doesn't work in the US. I think you have trouble understanding that.
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Old 14.12.2015, 20:04
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I see this as an issue of people taking personal responsibility for themselves. You see this as an issue of taking away personal responsibility from people. I don't believe people should take less responsibility for themselves. We don't really see ourselves as farm animals in the US to be herded by some authority. Its fine for some cultures in some countries as they wish. It doesn't work in the US. I think you have trouble understanding that.
Some would say that highlighted statement above was the hallmark of a condescending prick -- of course, I wouldn't use that language, even if I agreed with the sentiment -- but hey, I'll answer anyway.

You don't want people to take less responsibility for themselves. Sure, sounds great. So presumably you want people to take more responsibility for themselves to fix this problem of gun violence. Again, great! And how are you going to achieve this aim? Ask them nicely? Your thought process seems remarkably short. "There's a problem. People need to take more responsibility!"

You stated a little further up this thread that gun owners need to be "educated" not to leave loaded firearms around toddlers. Seriously? So your solution here is that "some authority" should try to "teach" (but not tell) people not to do the most blatantly obviously idiotic thing. What next? Do Americans also need to be "educated" to breathe several times per minute, lest they suffocate?

Apparently "education" hasn't stopped Americans (or anyone else) from driving their cars into other cars at speed. "Some authority" stepped in and imposed limits and sanctions for transgressing those limits, which are universally credited with saving thousands of lives every year. Would you like that governmental interference to be removed, too? Or do you agree that "herding" Americans who wouldn't voluntarily take responsibility for their own actions on the road has produced a better outcome than leaving driving completely unregulated?

Try to formulate some original thought instead of reproducing soundbites, and try to extend your thought process past one step.

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Old 14.12.2015, 20:12
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Do you notice your arguments are attacks on the person you are arguing with, instead of actually addressing the issue? Its normally a tact when you're losing an argument, or have not much better to say beyond getting emotional.

Yes, training and personal responsibility. Training is available through the NRA.
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Old 14.12.2015, 20:19
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Do you notice your arguments are attacks on the person you are arguing with, instead of actually addressing the issue? Its normally a tact when you're losing an argument, or have not much better to say beyond getting emotional.

Yes, training and personal responsibility. Training is available through the NRA.
No, I didn't notice any personal attacks. What I've been doing is presenting facts and opinions as arguments against contrary positions. We call this "debating". What you've been doing is spouting the same line over and over again, refusing to listen to any dissenting stream of thought, not answering any of the points raised by others, and wittering away about others getting emotional. We call this "blathering".

"Tact" and "tactic" are two very different nouns.
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Old 14.12.2015, 20:26
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Well, don't blame me for you not gaining any ground. The problem is that your position is weak and is based on trumped up sentiments. The principle behind doesn't apply to the US, hence guns are still freely owned and bought. The fact alone should tell you you're not bringing any new value to the issue.

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Well, don't blame me for you not gaining any ground. The problem is that your position is weak and is based on trumped up sentiments. The principle behind doesn't apply to the US, hence guns is still freely owned and bought. The fact alone should tell you you're not bringing any new value to the issue.
Yes, the US is special and can learn nothing from other nations. That's a well-documented fact.

Excellent, we've sorted it all out. It'll just take Trump to win the presidency, extend his Mexican wall the whole way around the US, and all the special issues unique to the US that nobody outside that country could ever hope to begin to understand will be contained there, and nobody needs to be concerned because really, it's nothing to do with them.
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Old 14.12.2015, 20:56
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Sounds like you are getting closer to the reality that it isn't in your purview to make decisions for other people. Your opinions are fine, just don't expect everyone to agree with it. Also, may be more effective to stay in the realm of lampooning and caricaturing Americans. It is more entertaining.
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Old 14.12.2015, 21:24
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I see this as an issue of people taking personal responsibility for themselves. You see this as an issue of taking away personal responsibility from people. I don't believe people should take less responsibility for themselves. .
So why can't women decide whether to have an abortion? Why are abortion laws getting stricter in the U.S.?

If people are so pro-life - then why the guns?

A bit hypocritical don't you think?

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Yes, I do. Please explain.

Please feel free to mention God, the bible and any other make-believe to help you explain the way Americans think and act.
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