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Old 18.12.2015, 11:38
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Your claim that "if worked in one country it would simply work in every country" definitely would fit under Enaj's "what should be" rather than "what is".
My claim, if you want to call it that, is that "if it worked in one country it might simply work in every country" -- and therefore should be tried. I guess I feel that every life is priceless, so if the resources are available (as in Canada), every option should be trialled. I never realised I'd turned into such a bleeding heart liberal.

This then would fit under Enaj's adapted what "could be" rather than "what is".

I do appreciate your caveats about singular and plural personal opinions. But once again, for someone else in this thread, we're talking about ideas and opinions about how to change a bad situation into a better, maybe even Utopian one, but there's no succeeding if you don't try.
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Old 18.12.2015, 11:52
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My claim, if you want to call it that, is that "if it worked in one country it might simply work in every country" -- and therefore should be tried. I guess I feel that every life is priceless, so if the resources are available (as in Canada), every option should be trialled. I never realised I'd turned into such a bleeding heart liberal.

This then would fit under Enaj's adapted what "could be" rather than "what is".

I do appreciate your caveats about singular and plural personal opinions. But once again, for someone else in this thread, we're talking about ideas and opinions about how to change a bad situation into a better, maybe even Utopian one, but there's no succeeding if you don't try.

hahaha, sometimes I can't believe that I have become so cold hearted.


but I feel that some there has to be some sort of time-cost-value analysis. When it comes down to the nitty gritty, we live in an economical driven world, and each life does have a number value (at dystopian as that sounds).


The one approach that was tried in Canada, and the money value just didn't fit, and also the results didn't even help. I hope this can at least set an example of what didn't work (in it's own situation) and at least force those who have the decision making power to think things through a bit further.


At least this thread has elements of thinking things through (as long as we don't get trolling/insulting too quickly).


Again, my approach would be to try tackle mental health in young males early. If successfully done, I think we would see a reduction in gun deaths as well as a whole myriad of other societal problems.
How to do that quickly and successfully? Unfortunately I don't have a Ph.D in Psychology, so that's where my input halts :P
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Old 18.12.2015, 11:56
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That is commendable 22yards. We all want peace on earth, and I knew you were talking from wishful thinking. But as it carried over to a derogatory tone of ignorant bigotry, the Fonz jumped the Shark. It may be more worthwhile to look at the actual situation, and possibly how to map a course from the here and now towards where it could be.
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Old 18.12.2015, 13:41
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I think it is fair to say that everyone would like to see reduced gun deaths. The difference in opinion lies with whether a proposed measure will be effective and or whether it will be worth the cost.
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Ah, that may be a sign of giftedness.


More like lack of insight
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Old 18.12.2015, 14:12
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I think it is fair to say that everyone would like to see reduced gun deaths. The difference in opinion lies with whether a proposed measure will be effective and or whether it will be worth the cost.
I was talking to a long time friend in the U.S. last night about this. He's a former cop and said the best thing Obama did was pushing the envelope on gun control, but not pushing it too far. He firmly believes that much stricter gun controls in the U.S. would cause something akin to civil war at this point in time.
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Old 27.12.2015, 13:01
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Schmiede Wiedikon Zurich
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama...story/31289962

Residence report shots fired around 6 am. Also, it is said the shots where fired by police against a man armed with a large kitchen knife. Still unlcear what really happened. Photos shows many casings on street.
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Old 29.12.2015, 02:39
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That is commendable 22yards. We all want peace on earth, and I knew you were talking from wishful thinking. But as it carried over to a derogatory tone of ignorant bigotry, the Fonz jumped the Shark. It may be more worthwhile to look at the actual situation, and possibly how to map a course from the here and now towards where it could be.
That's exactly what you keep refusing to even consider. Your last sentence shows how much of a liar you are.
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Old 29.12.2015, 11:14
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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

It happened in America around Christmas...if the guns wouldn't be sold out at every corner I don't know, maybe, just maybe there won't be as many tragedies.
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In a grim reminder that violence in America never takes a holiday, 27 people were killed and 63 injured in shooting incidents on Christmas Day this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive. This tally does not include people who shot themselves in suicide.
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So far this year, we've averaged roughly 36 gun fatalities and 73 gun injuries each day, according to the Gun Violence Archive. So the Christmas Day tally represents something of a temporary de-escalation in the violence, but not a huge one.

This year has brought renewed attention to the problem of mass shooting incidents in America. But the spate of Christmas Day violence is a reminder that many more people are killed and injured in a relentless daily drumbeat of gun crime that barely makes the headlines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hese-countries

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Old 30.12.2015, 22:34
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According to Tagesanzeiger today weapon purchases here are 25% higher than last year; there are now 2.5 million legal guns here.

Difficult to find numbers of gun deaths; probably somewhere in the Amt for Statistiks figures....
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Old 31.12.2015, 23:01
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The TA article isn't about weapon sales, it's about weapon purchase permits, which IIRC are temporary (valid for three months). For one IIRC they may allow for the purchase of more than one gun, and being allowed to doesn't mean a purchase does occur. What's more without absolute numbers those 25% themselves are of limited usefulness as there must be huge variations from Kanton to Kanton when Vaud sees an increase by 75%. Also take note that only 12 Kantons have been asked, it may make a huge difference if, say, mostly big Kantons are included or mostly small ones.

Do you mean CH figures? Simples:
bfs.ch, 2nd link from the bottom, in german though (spreadsheet not available in english) and unfortunately without 2014 figures.

Keep in mind that nobody knows how many guns are really in circulation as there's no general central register, only for purchases since 2008. Guesses of the total amount range from 2 to 3.5mln

A horrific fact:
85-90% of all gun deaths in CH are male suicides.

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Re: A shooting just happened in ( *fill in the blank * )

Found a new-ish docu on (attitudes toward) gun use in Switzerland, contrasted with the situation in the US.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQcl6ymmA_Y
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Old 02.01.2016, 06:20
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While pretty much all males here in Switzerland own guns, you'll never see some proud idiot flaunting that gun, suicide and family killings still happen, but the western trope of a lone proud gunslinger saving the town from a a deranged non white person never happens here.
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The us situation is disturbing, white nazis can walk around with full automatic long guns and get treated with respect by the police, but black kids with toy guns in open carry states get shot dead.
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Found a new-ish docu on (attitudes toward) gun use in Switzerland, contrasted with the situation in the US.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQcl6ymmA_Y

Thanks for posting, have watched 10 minutes of it...gives you the impression the Latins are the overwhelming majority in Switzerland

It's past midnight here and I'm sleepy so 'll watch the rest tomorrow
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Old 02.01.2016, 14:00
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We're off to a cracking start in 2016 as Texas brings in open carry for almost a million citizens already allowed concealed weapons. A dramatic fall in gun-related crime can be confidently expected...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/us...y-gun-law.html
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Old 02.01.2016, 14:15
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Strange, usually OC is allowed and CC not, not the other way around.

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Old 02.01.2016, 14:25
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TX is the 45th State to allow open carry. As if it wasnt bad enough armed police has been misusing their power, now anyone with a licence can play law enforcement.

Linnea, exactly my thought. The docu makers must not have been big fans of the German language
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Obama planning to counterstrike though.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35211294
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Strange, usually OC is allowed and CC not, not the other way around.

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Right, I'd have thought one would prefer to see the guns in circulation and know what one was up against, rather than have guns concealed furtively (and possibly hidden for criminal purposes).
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