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Right, I'd have thought one would prefer to see the guns in circulation and know what one was up against, rather than have guns concealed furtively (and possibly hidden for criminal purposes).
When a Colorado woman called 911 last October to report a man walking around with a rifle, the dispatcher replied, according to audio released by police: “Well, it is an open carry state so he can have a weapon with him or walking around with it.” An officer was sent first to a different incident. The gunman killed three people.
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Old 02.01.2016, 20:59
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When a Colorado woman called 911 last October to report a man walking around with a rifle, the dispatcher replied, according to audio released by police: “Well, it is an open carry state so he can have a weapon with him or walking around with it.” An officer was sent first to a different incident. The gunman killed three people.
Try reading this article here; gives a more balanced view
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Old 02.01.2016, 21:12
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While pretty much all males here in Switzerland own guns, you'll never see some proud idiot flaunting that gun, suicide and family killings still happen, but the western trope of a lone proud gunslinger saving the town from a a deranged non white person never happens here.
Never??

Don't go out much do you?

One time I was at a BBQ when a neighbour had a dispute with his wife and started running around with an automatic weapon.

Then there was Friedrich Leibacher who killed 14 people in Zug in 2001.

The mayor of Zürich who shot up his office.
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Try reading this article here; gives a more balanced view
Was not blaming the dispatcher here. I think that if civilians were prohibited from carrying guns in public, every sight of an armed person would ring alarm bells. In States where open carry is in place, 911 calls of gun sightings are rarely taken seriously unless the person opens fire. It feels like we are going back in time. So few people are mentally and physically equipped to use guns. Not sure how many more tragic deaths nees to occur till things start to change.
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Old 02.01.2016, 22:18
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Often while walking, I see people with guns here.

Lots of hunters around.

No big deal.

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Old 02.01.2016, 22:20
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Often while walking, I see people with guns here.

Lots of hunters around.

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Not now, I hope?
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Old 02.01.2016, 22:23
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Was not blaming the dispatcher here. I think that if civilians were prohibited from carrying guns in public, every sight of an armed person would ring alarm bells. In States where open carry is in place, 911 calls of gun sightings are rarely taken seriously unless the person opens fire. It feels like we are going back in time. So few people are mentally and physically equipped to use guns. Not sure how many more tragic deaths nees to occur till things start to change.
You mean apart from the 15 million licensed hunters in the USA who can legally carry rifles
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Old 02.01.2016, 22:25
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Often, not every day.

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You mean apart from the 15 million licensed hunters in the USA who can legally carry rifles
Obviously a hunter needs to carry his gun(s) in the forest, perhaps country areas too. But not in rural areas, so I would expect these to typically be excluded. Aren't they?
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Obviously a hunter needs to carry his gun(s) in the forest, perhaps country areas too. But not in rural areas, so I would expect these to typically be excluded. Aren't they?

There are, for example, several hunters in the block of flats that I live in who walk around with their guns. So far there is no possibility of invisibly transporting them to the nearest forest.
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Old 03.01.2016, 12:51
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There are, for example, several hunters in the block of flats that I live in who walk around with their guns. So far there is no possibility of invisibly transporting them to the nearest forest.
Here as well, the hunting zone starts a couple hundred meters from the village center.

And co-workers bring them to work to prep them before shooting practice as well.

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Often while walking, I see people with guns here.

Lots of hunters around.

No big deal.

Tom
Why do you think you can apply the Swiss socio- legal gun situation to the one in US? Can't quite follow your logic when you said it is no big deal to carry guns in the US, bc you've seen it here.
And it may not be a big deal for you stlemains, but consider the situaion for marginalized people, eg people of color, who are already facing racism on a daily basis.
Or maybe you can relate better to parents, who go to restaurants and grocery stores with their kids and have to constantly estimate dangers emanating from people with guns on them. Calling 911 in open carry states is also problematic, as the sighting of an armed person alone is not sufficient to dispatch officers. For blacks, being seen with a gun, even if it is fake, even in an open carry state, it represents a death sentence. ( Im sure you have heard of Tamir Rice's case)

There is already so much systematic racism against black and brown people. On top of that, the US has seen a rise of epidemic dimension of police violence against (gender and race) minorities; eg systematic sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-muslim sentiments.

As if that wasnt troubling enough, regular citizens can now play law enforcement, or simply live out their hatred, bigotry or ignorance at the expence of other citizens' lives.

Some of you seem to think that getting liensed=responsible gun ownership. Obtaining a license is often a quick and easy process. It does not guarantee responsible handling of guns.

Gun ownership is not a God given right. It is privilege. It needs to be earned, over and over again. That is beacause it comes with a large amount of responsibility.

There need to be changes in the deeply flawed US justice system and it looks like things will get extremely bad till they start to improve.
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...but consider the situaion for marginalized people, eg people of color, who are already facing racism on a daily basis

...For blacks, being seen with a gun, even if it is fake, even in an open carry state, it represents a death sentence. ( Im sure you have heard of Tamir Rice's case.
Dear Drama Queen,

PYHOOYA

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2417497

And yet on another thread, you unilaterally decide a "marginalized" poster was not a victim of discrimination because everyone else said so. Keep up the good work.

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Why do you think you can apply the Swiss socio- legal gun situation to the one in US? Can't quite follow your logic when you said it is no big deal to carry guns in the US, bc you've seen it here.
And it may not be a big deal for you stlemains, but consider the situaion for marginalized people, eg people of color, who are already facing racism on a daily basis.
Or maybe you can relate better to parents, who go to restaurants and grocery stores with their kids and have to constantly estimate dangers emanating from people with guns on them. Calling 911 in open carry states is also problematic, as the sighting of an armed person alone is not sufficient to dispatch officers. For blacks, being seen with a gun, even if it is fake, even in an open carry state, it represents a death sentence. ( Im sure you have heard of Tamir Rice's case)

There is already so much systematic racism against black and brown people. On top of that, the US has seen a rise of epidemic dimension of police violence against (gender and race) minorities; eg systematic sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-muslim sentiments.

As if that wasnt troubling enough, regular citizens can now play law enforcement, or simply live out their hatred, bigotry or ignorance at the expence of other citizens' lives.

Some of you seem to think that getting liensed=responsible gun ownership. Obtaining a license is often a quick and easy process. It does not guarantee responsible handling of guns.

Gun ownership is not a God given right. It is privilege. It needs to be earned, over and over again. That is beacause it comes with a large amount of responsibility.

There need to be changes in the deeply flawed US justice system and it looks like things will get extremely bad till they start to improve.
About "Calling 911 in open carry states is also problematic" No, it is not problematic - it is a dumb thing to do because they are not breaking any laws and the caller risks being charged with wasting police time.
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Dear Drama Queen,

PYHOOYA

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2417497

And yet on another thread, you unilaterally decide a "marginalized" poster was not a victim of discrimination because everyone else said so. Keep up the good work.
Nice that you found a positive news story Unfortunately One good deed by law enforcement does not wash away thousands of cases of misuse of power.

I have not decided wether said poster has been discriminated and I do not know what the majority opinion was. What I did was I pointed out he has a history of accusations of disctiminations in pizza places. I pointed out his unwillingness to consider other members' interpretations of his experience and his disire for vengeance against the pizzeria.

The forum has rightfully reacted by deleting the name of the restaurant in question and the trip advisor page has deleted his post alltogether last time I checked. Not sure how this member connects to gun laws though?

Going back to proven police brutality cases, it might soud like I am a drama queen by discussing these issues, but police brutality occurs every day in the US; against every civilian but mostly against people of color. I am glad you think I am being dramatic, because that means you do not often experience the kind of police brutality some people come across in the US.
But Injustice is part of life an should not be ignored just like the names of police victims should not forgotten, eg Sandra Blant, Renisha McBride, Amir Rice, Natasha McKenna, Tanisha Anderson, Rekia Boyd.

You can find out more on dangers for people of color posed by open carry laws by reading a recent social experiment exposing racism of a blavk vs white person carrying a gun. There have been many black open carry protests that have informative statistical data on police brutality against people of color, transgendered people and others. I can link them late when I get home if you are intereted.
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About "Calling 911 in open carry states is also problematic" No, it is not problematic - it is a dumb thing to do because they are not breaking any laws and the caller risks being charged with wasting police time.
right but in the case above that guy went on to kill 3 people and he was dresse like he was goingto war. So the bet thing to do is hope its not your time or stay home?
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right but in the case above that guy went on to kill 3 people and he was dresse like he was goingto war. So the bet thing to do is hope its not your time or stay home?
So what do you think the police would have done?

Hello sir, you are carrying a gun?

Yes it is open carry here.

Goodbye sir, have a nice day
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Some of you seem to think that getting liensed=responsible gun ownership. Obtaining a license is often a quick and easy process. It does not guarantee responsible handling of guns.
Yet, 99.99+% of gun owners ARE responsible gun owners.

Seems to me that it works.

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right but in the case above that guy went on to kill 3 people and he was dresse like he was goingto war. So the bet thing to do is hope its not your time or stay home?
Guys around here are normally dressed like that.

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