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There are, for example, several hunters in the block of flats that I live in who walk around with their guns. So far there is no possibility of invisibly transporting them to the nearest forest.
You're talking about CH now while your previous post, which I replied to, was about the US.

Whichever though, I see a big difference between carrying the unloaded gun to wherever it is they shoot game and back, or army rifle in case of swiss men to their annual target shooting and back, and somebody walking his loaded(!) rifle, perhaps not even with security latch on, in a crowded shop.
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If anyone is interested in statistical data and problematic aspects on the new TX open carry law

The big problem with Texas Open Carry Law
http://fusion.net/story/250332/texas-open-carry-law/

What happens when an officer arrives on a scene of a shooting and observes multiple people with guns on their waists? he asked. How would an officer differentiate a suspect from a civilian? How do you control a crime scene when everyone has a weapon, and is convinced that they have a right to use it? At what point when detaining someone for a different crime altogether is an officer allowed to remove the suspect’s weapon? None of these questions is addressed in the language of the law.

Final total of people killed by US police officers in 2015 shows rate of death for young black men was five times higher than white men of the same age
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...oung-black-men

Police shootings of black women
http://m.motherjones.com/politics/20...k-lives-matter

How most (85%) killings by police are ruled as justified
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...?CMP=edit_2221

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...reform/422079/

TX open carry law puts pro gun arguments to test
http://linkis.com/huffingtonpost.com/hnF9W

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Four dead after domestic dispute.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...ashing-machine

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Obama will announce executive actions on guns today, which appear to include stricter background checks http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-sa...ent-1451939978
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Old 05.01.2016, 10:32
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The father had a large gun collection, so his son was spolt for choice when he wanted revenge.
That's not what the story says at all.

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Old 05.01.2016, 16:05
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Non-whites have a much higher prisoner percentage than whites, thus an overproportionate number of potentially dangerous, and perhaps lethal, situations. The overproportionate arrest rate, which often are inherently dangerous thus police will (imho justifiably) make increased use of a gun, must increase the gun death rate among the non-white.

Thus to make the statistic waterproof the Guardian should distinguish between crime-scene deaths where the police were entering a situation with increased risk of being a target (say a shooting, perhaps also domestic violence as the perpetrator is agitated and emotional already), and all the rest (e.g. stopping a car due to broken lights).

This should be quite obvious to anyone with an limited understanding of statistics, it's very surprising this wasn't considered.

And yes, having police cases, especially such as killings and brutality, investigated by outsiders is very much a no-brainer.
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Under the plan announced on Monday evening by the White House:
  • All sellers must be licensed and conduct background checks, overturning current exemptions to some online and gun show sellers
  • States must provide information on people disqualified due to mental illness or domestic violence
  • FBI will increase workforce processing background checks by 50%, hiring more than 230 new examiners
  • Congress will be asked to invest $500m (£339m) to improve access to mental healthcare
  • The departments of defence, justice and homeland security will explore "smart gun technology" to improve gun safety
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35229294

Seems reasonable.
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And yes, having police cases, especially such as killings and brutality, investigated by outsiders is very much a no-brainer.
Well we have the I.P.C.C. in the U.K. https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/ Are you thinking something along those lines?

I sat the exam to work for the I.P.C.C. back when it first began and failed the second of the 3 exams, partly because I didn't finish it within the time, and also because it was more intensive than I expected and you can't prepare for it. I have a lot of respect for the candidates that were accepted.
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Non-whites have a much higher prisoner percentage than whites, thus an overproportionate number of potentially dangerous, and perhaps lethal, situations. The overproportionate arrest rate, which often are inherently dangerous thus police will (imho justifiably) make increased use of a gun, must increase the gun death rate among the non-white.

Thus to make the statistic waterproof the Guardian should distinguish between crime-scene deaths where the police were entering a situation with increased risk of being a target (say a shooting, perhaps also domestic violence as the perpetrator is agitated and emotional already), and all the rest (e.g. stopping a car due to broken lights).

This should be quite obvious to anyone with an limited understanding of statistics, it's very surprising this wasn't considered.

And yes, having police cases, especially such as killings and brutality, investigated by outsiders is very much a no-brainer.
Yo, you can't be saying that. That's racist and against the narrative (all the links in his post lead to leftist websites)
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(all the links in his post lead to leftist websites)
Leftist is the new nazi, the first one to accuse the opponent of it has won.
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Under the plan announced on Monday evening by the White House:
  • All sellers must be licensed and conduct background checks, overturning current exemptions to some online and gun show sellers
  • States must provide information on people disqualified due to mental illness or domestic violence
  • FBI will increase workforce processing background checks by 50%, hiring more than 230 new examiners
  • Congress will be asked to invest $500m (£339m) to improve access to mental healthcare
  • The departments of defence, justice and homeland security will explore "smart gun technology" to improve gun safety
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35229294

Seems reasonable.
More bureaucracy, government spending, and invasions of privacy.

Where do I sign up Obama, your majesty
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Leftist is the new nazi, the first one to accuse the opponent of it has won.
good point, I use the term interchangeably as I more and more see the former as just a branch of the latter
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More bureaucracy, government spending, and invasions of privacy.
But -- probably -- a few lives saved. S'pose you just have to decide whether those lives are worth it.
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good point, I use the term interchangeably as I more and more see the former as just a branch of the latter
I can't think of too many ideologies further to the right than Nazism. Nazis were socialist in about the same way as the German Democratic Republic or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was/is, you know, democratic.
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I can't think of too many ideologies further to the right than Nazism. Nazis were socialist in about the same way as the German Democratic Republic or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was/is, you know, democratic.
The Nazis were not pure liberals, but they sure as heck borrowed a lot of ideas from Socialists/Communists who they supposedly hated.

The Nazis had:

-massive public works projects (and other Keynsian theories)
-massive gun control limits
-nationalization of private companies/industries
-expanding the pension system in Germany (how nice)
-widescale support for animal rights
-of course the whole government control of every aspect of people's lives, culminating in deciding who lives and dies

I know racists get pegged as right wing because it's convenient. If you hate a certain group, you will rather support the people who limit immigration (for non racial reasons) than those who are for open borders.

For me extreme right wing is Anarchy, not Nazism
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Obama will announce executive actions on guns today, which appear to include stricter background checks http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-sa...ent-1451939978
Gun sales soar, and stock prices of gun some gun manufacturers double and triple.

This does nothing to gun rights, only contravenes Doctor-Patient confidentiality privileges. Hocus Pocus.

While Obama makes for a national Gun salesman.

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But -- probably -- a few lives saved. S'pose you just have to decide whether those lives are worth it.

I can't think of too many ideologies further to the right than Nazism. Nazis were socialist in about the same way as the German Democratic Republic or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was/is, you know, democratic.
A good rule of thumb is, if the country has the word Democratic in it's name, it probably isn't
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For me extreme right wing is Anarchy, not Nazism
Why not. But politics is never monodimensional. The scheme right/left reduces to one dimension a spectrum that in every country is multidimensional.

Dimension can be:
- economical liberalism vs. economical interventionism
- societal liberalism vs. conservative values
- urban vs. rural
- european federalism vs. national sovereignism
- secular vs. religious
... and more.

The result is that in each country, right/left means something different and there are always internal contradictions inbuilt because of the intricate multidimensional spectra. When voting, we all put more or less weight in all the relevant dimensions of our political system and disagreement is created not by the actual matters discussed but by the choice of priorities for our premisses taken from different dimensions.

Politics is like the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator in psychology and there are not enough parties to correspond to each of the profil types when all dimensions are combined. Hence the debate and often dialogues between people who can't hear each other because they don't have the same ears. Metaphorically speaking.
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Politics is like the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator in psychology and there are not enough parties to correspond to each of the profil types when all dimensions are combined. Hence the debate and often dialogues between people who can't hear each other because they don't have the same ears. Metaphorically speaking.
I find this to be particularly true in the U.S. because their two party political system is so polarised.
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Gun sales soar, and stock prices of gun some gun manufacturers double and triple.

This does nothing to gun rights, only contravenes Doctor-Patient confidentiality privileges. Hocus Pocus.

While Obama makes for a national Gun salesman.
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Gunmen opened fire at the entrance of a hotel in the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Hurghada, wounding two foreign tourists, security sources have said. Attack was repelled and one gunman killed.

Islamic State claimed responsibility for a non-fatal attack on Israeli tourists in Cairo the day before. It said Isis fighters were responding to a call by the group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, to target Jews everywhere but the tourists were Israeli Arabs
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