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lmao, ok im out. have fun giggling about his terrible selfies and gossiping about whether he is gay or not. self hate, sure whatever.

see you guys next week, when terror attack happened in fillintheblank
So will the US ban guns because they are used in terror attacks?

They banned box cutters and bottles of fluids over 100ml on planes after terror attacks.

(The answer is no - because at some point someone will say it is actually a homophobic gun massacre - and the words "Orlando" and "Terrorism" will never be seen again together in the same sentence.)
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Old 14.06.2016, 14:19
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Makes me wonder about some of the gun-loving, bible-loving macho types on this forum.
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lmao, ok im out. have fun giggling about his terrible selfies and gossiping about whether he is gay or not. self hate, sure whatever.

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I'm sorry - I didn't mean to upset you with my comment. You can still pretend on this forum.
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Old 14.06.2016, 14:25
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So will the US ban guns because they are used in terror attacks?

They banned box cutters and bottles of fluids over 100ml on planes after terror attacks.

(The answer is no - because at some point someone will say it is actually a homophobic gun massacre - and the words "Orlando" and "Terrorism" will never be seen again together in the same sentence.)
will the US ban islam because it is used in terrorism?

no, because people will just call this a homophobic attack, and the next and antisemitic attack. all by crazy dudes who hate themselves or are disenfrenchised or something
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will the US ban islam because it is used in terrorism?

no, because people will just call this a homophobic attack, and the next and antisemitic attack. all by crazy dudes who hate themselves or are disenfrenchised or something

Why does it have to be one or the other?


From where I'm sitting, it looks like an attack focused on LGBT people, which makes it a homophobic attack, perpetrated by a radical Muslim, which makes it an
Islamist attack, with guns he probably shouldn't have had, which makes it a gun control issue.

Have you ever looked at a shamrock?
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will the US ban islam because it is used in terrorism?

no, because people will just call this a homophobic attack, and the next and antisemitic attack. all by crazy dudes who hate themselves or are disenfrenchised or something
In your opinion, is there room, or the ability to put pressure on your government to revoke the gun licences of people on the no-fly list?
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Old 14.06.2016, 14:37
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Why does it have to be one or the other?


From where I'm sitting, it looks like an attack focused on LGBT people, which makes it a homophobic attack, perpetrated by a radical Muslim, which makes it an
Islamist attack, with guns he probably shouldn't have had, which makes it a gun control issue.

Have you ever looked at a shamrock?


homophobic attack is encapsulated by islamic attack. it's an attack on the west, our culture, which thankfully includes homosexuality.

so it's islam + guns with loose laws in orlando.

since e.g. bataclan was also islam + guns despite strict laws i feel we can subtract the gun part, leaving islam as the main issue.
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Old 14.06.2016, 14:39
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In your opinion, is there room, or the ability to put pressure on your government to revoke the gun licences of people on the no-fly list?
yes, and that did not happen with mateen which is ridiculous.
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Old 14.06.2016, 14:43
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i feel we can subtract the gun part, leaving islam as the main issue.
And that's your (and Trump's) opinion, and you're entitled to it. But increasingly, in the face of mounting evidence, it appears that you're both wrong.
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Old 14.06.2016, 14:44
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Over 6'000 deaths in just the first half of this year. Only in 725 times were guns used in defence. http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
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And that's your (and Trump's) opinion, and you're entitled to it. But increasingly, in the face of mounting evidence, it appears that you're both wrong.
What "mounting evidence"?
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homophobic attack is encapsulated by islamic attack. it's an attack on the west, our culture, which thankfully includes homosexuality.

So do most Islamic cultures, as far as I'm aware.


Otherwise ISIS would have nobody to throw off tall buildings.

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since e.g. bataclan was also islam + guns despite strict laws i feel we can subtract the gun part, leaving islam as the main issue.
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homophobic attack is encapsulated by islamic attack. it's an attack on the west, our culture, which thankfully includes homosexuality.
I'll think you'll find homosexuality occurs in all cultures, as well as huge swathes of the animal kingdom.
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Lets say that no matter how inclusive we make our society and how we interact with other societies there will always be an element of hatred from some sections to another. We don't all agree on all topics on EF - so no chance of it happening at a country/international level.

That means we have a motive.

Now lets look at opportunity. If motive will always exist we have to minimize opportunity. This can be done by monitoring those we know with motive, making it harder for them to carry out an attack. Control on movement for example.

And finally we have means. If after best efforts to control opportunity one still arises it is preferable for the means to be as ineffectual as possible.

Pulling together the Paris attacks required a high level of organization, secrecy and careful planning to bring it all together. Orlando less so.

We won't ever stop the attacks - but perhaps reducing the opportunities and the means might be a good start.
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I'll think you'll find homosexuality occurs in all cultures, as well as huge swathes of the animal kingdom.
Are you referring to this?!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Biological-.../dp/031225377X

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So do most Islamic cultures, as far as I'm aware.


Otherwise ISIS would have nobody to throw off tall buildings.


Yeah, I stopped doing algebra when I left high school. I'm delighted for you that you kept it up!
obviously i meant acceptance of homosexuality.

yeah, clearly i have to keep things at high school level here.
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obviously i meant acceptance of homosexuality.

Homosexuality isn't really accepted in the United States, except in small pockets (such as this nightclub in Florida).


Or do you have a different definition of "acceptance" to that commonly used by speakers of English?
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yeah, clearly i have to keep things at high school level here.
..and try not to be so patronising
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Homosexuality isn't really accepted in the United States, except in small pockets (such as this nightclub in Florida).


Or do you have a different definition of "acceptance" to that commonly used by speakers of English?
but more accepted than islamic world or not?

"small pockets"
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As predicted decended into the EF farce. I'm out for now
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What "mounting evidence"?
The evidence that strongly points to Mateen being deep in the closet, and that his motive for the muders was internalised homophobia associated with his own homosexuality and his inability to express it for fear of rejection by his family -- i.e. the mounting evidence:

- That Omar Mateen was not religious
- That he had no affiliation with Afghanistan, his "country of origin" (having never visited there)
- That Mateen's ex-wife reported that he was mentally unstable and violent (an opinion also offered by ex-co-workers)
- That he had asked a fellow (male) student out on a date
- That Mateen had been seen clubbing at Pulse a dozen times or more
- That he had been a frequent user of Jack'd, a gay dating app.

Not an "Islamic terrorist attack".
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