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I'm wondering why she hasn't already been arrested.

You'd think that knowing about the plans, going shopping for ammunition, and giving rides to the location would be considered being an accomplice.

Aye, I can't disagree with that.
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I'm wondering why she hasn't already been arrested.

You'd think that knowing about the plans, going shopping for ammunition, and giving rides to the location would be considered being an accomplice.

FBI are checking if she should be indicted. I'd expect the hurdles to be much higher for family than for strangers.
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Old 15.06.2016, 10:17
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Well now you're just trolling...

from Wiki: ISIS:" The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, IPA /ˈaɪsᵻl/), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria[note 1] (ISIS, /ˈaɪsᵻs/),[31] and by its Arabic language acronym Daesh (داعش‎ dāʿish, IPA: [ˈdaːʕiʃ]),[32][33] is a Salafi jihadist militant group that claim to follow an Islamic fundamentalist, Wahhabi doctrine of Sunni Islam but this claim is disputed by Muslim scholars.
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While I agree with the general direction of all your previous comments, I do have to point out that the Old Testament is... old. Pre-Christ. There was no Christianity at that time.

But yes, a lot of killing has been done in Christ's name.
There are various varieties of Christians; I am no expert but I do not know of a variety that completely rejects the Old Testament?
Look at the USA where there are many Christians who use the Old Testament as a scientific text book; including Congressmen and Senators.
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Old 15.06.2016, 10:31
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I saw some very disturbing messages on Facebook from "Christians" who were actually happy with the killer!

Here is my take:

The guy was gay but got rejected constantly for being very weird. He got pissed, decided all those people are horrible for his suffering and went into a killing rampant while putting it on Daesh to freak people out.

Meanwhile, Daesh saw the news and was like: who the f*** is this guy? Who cares! He is one of us, one of us, one of us!!
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I saw some very disturbing messages on Facebook from "Christians" who were actually happy with the killer!
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Old 15.06.2016, 10:51
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There are various varieties of Christians; I am no expert but I do not know of a variety that completely rejects the Old Testament?
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism
(Found through the Catechism of the Catholic Church http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__PR.HTM)

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism (Warning: cruesome medieval images of torture)
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Old 15.06.2016, 10:55
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Were they in any way related to Blueangel's Gay Muslim friends?
http://thoughtcatalog.com/jacob-geer...-club-shooter/

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Old 15.06.2016, 11:36
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This thread has turned bonkers - why is it that people refuse to acknowledge that ISIS plays a role when it's exactly what has been said by the perpetrator(s) themselves
This wouldn't be the first time that a criminal has falsely claimed a motive. In this case, I believe Mateen claimed allegiance to IS purely to win the respect and approbation of his overbearing (and yes, religious) father.

Remember the Lindt Café siege in Sydney? The gunman there, Man Monis, tied his actions to IS, even demanding that an IS flag be brought to him (he'd apparently forgotten to pack one). It turned out that his real motive was disgruntlement at legal decisions that had gone against him, and his consequent fall from grace and reduction in status. It's also been suggested that Monis simply wanted lasting infamy -- to be known for committing a particularly heinous crime. Certainly, he was Muslim, apparently religious, and tried to maintain a high profile in Islamic circles. But that doesn't make his actions "Islamic".

I feel particularly sorry for Mateen's 3-year-old son. He has to grow up with the burden of America's worst mass killer on his shoulders -- as well as having no father.

A sobering thought just struck me -- I hope the many insurance companies that face payouts in the deaths of up to 50 people, injuries to 53 more and property damage at Pulse aren't trying to squirm out of their liability to pay up, on the grounds that the claims are due to the excluded event of "terrorism".

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Old 15.06.2016, 11:40
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A sobering thought just struck me -- I hope the many insurance companies that face payouts in the deaths of up to 50 people, injuries to 53 more and property damage at Pulse aren't trying to squirm out of their liability to pay up, on the grounds that the claims are due to the excluded event of "terrorism".
Since when did insurance companies try to wiggle out of paying out??

I will repeat: Motive - Means - Opportunity

You'll never rid society of people who want to commit such acts. But you can make the means harder to come by - and the opportunities harder to find.
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Were they in any way related to Blueangel's Gay Muslim friends?
You really do have a vile mindset. Thankfully, not everyone in this World has such a narrow view as you.

In the last two weeks, one of my gay Muslim friends has gone from this...

Donald Trump and Co

...to being two blocks from a gun attack in Tel Aviv, to spending the last few days with his fiance's cousins in Haifa, where he was welcomed into the family with open arms.

We need more people in the World like him and his fiance (who has long been a very dear friend of mine), and their wonderful families.
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Old 15.06.2016, 11:46
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Body was found in Fislisbach - Shots were reported

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zuerich/...Toter-30190102
Vitcim was an 18 year old Swiss. A 17 year old suspect got arrested.
What's wrong in Argovia and its youth?

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Old 15.06.2016, 11:48
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Since when did insurance companies try to wiggle out of paying out??
Are you referring to the Orlando incident, or in general (presumably ironically)?

I did say that I hope they're not trying to get out of paying. In the Sydney incident that I referred to above, the Australian government invoked an Act to specifically exclude any claims arising from the siege from the exclusions claimed by insurers (if you follow what I'm saying) -- i.e. to force insurers to honour any claims made on their policies.
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Old 15.06.2016, 11:53
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Are you referring to the Orlando incident, or in general (presumably ironically)?

I did say that I hope they're not trying to get out of paying. In the Sydney incident that I referred to above, the Australian government invoked an Act to specifically exclude any claims arising from the siege from the exclusions claimed by insurers (if you follow what I'm saying) -- i.e. to force insurers to honour any claims made on their policies.
In America it will be cheaper for the insurers to lobby for the exact opposite to happen - for it to be classified as terrorism - and for no payments to be made.

In fact while they are at it - they'll also get all gun deaths excluded.
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Old 15.06.2016, 12:11
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I saw some very disturbing messages on Facebook from "Christians" who were actually happy with the killer!

Here is my take:

The guy was gay but got rejected constantly for being very weird. He got pissed, decided all those people are horrible for his suffering and went into a killing rampant while putting it on Daesh to freak people out.

Meanwhile, Daesh saw the news and was like: who the f*** is this guy? Who cares! He is one of us, one of us, one of us!!
imagine 2 groups in the world:
1 million "weird, rejected, pissed gays"
1 million "isis fans"

which group would produce the most mass murderers? rhetorical.

do you honestly think that, IF those 2 groups even overlap, the probability of producing mass murderer is significantly higher in the overlap than in the non gay "isis fans"?

the power of isis comes from their inspiration. self radicalized lone wolves. you dont have go to the local recruitment station to sign up for isis in order to be isis official "member" before they can claim your attack.
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Old 15.06.2016, 12:28
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Body was found in Fislisbach - Shots were reported

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zuerich/...Toter-30190102
17 year old suspect in custody
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/zuerich/...ar-18-30190102
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Old 15.06.2016, 12:32
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I like this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36431916

"During lectures, clips of which were posted online, the cleric has said the death penalty is justified for homosexuals in societies operating under Islamic laws.

"Death is the sentence. There's nothing to be embarrassed about this. Death is the sentence," he said during a 2013 lecture at the University of Michigan.

He told Australia's Daily Telegraph newspaper that his comments had been taken out of context and said he did not believe his words could have inspired Mateen's nightclub attack."

Um, exactly HOW were they taken out of context? Because it happened in America and not Saudi Arabia where it would have been fine?

Religion is a curse on the world.
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Religion is a curse on the world.
One should not associate extremists with religion. They have nothing in common!

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One should not associate extremists with religion. They have nothing in common!
What??? Nothing except brainwashing people into thinking(?) that there is a SPECIAL MAN in the sky, who sent SPECIAL MEN into this mortal world to do crazy deeds that pertain to one's own society's corrupt ways of thinking? Religion does have a lot to do with extremisms - it teaches people that they are better than those who don't belong to their club, and even within those clubs there are members worthier than others.

Unless secular people start acting, and act decisively against these acts, we'll see more of them.

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Old 15.06.2016, 13:06
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In America it will be cheaper for the insurers to lobby for the exact opposite to happen - for it to be classified as terrorism - and for no payments to be made.

In fact while they are at it - they'll also get all gun deaths excluded.
Exactly, that's my concern.
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