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In any case, even if he had said something along those lines, Mateen had never even been to Afghanistan and reportedly felt no connection to that country -- that "report" comes from his father. I think it's highly unlikely that he would have been referring to Afghanistan. Had he said those words, he may well have been referring to the US, and that he was doing "this" to rid his country -- the country of his birth and citizenship, to which he would have sworn allegiance throughout his school years -- of the "scourge of homosexuality", which he at once despised and secretly craved to be part of.
Well we're all speculating but I think your scenario above is highly unlikely.
This is the same kid who was apparently suspended for celebrating 9/11 whilst at school. So I doubt when he said "my country" he was referring to the US.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/orlando-s...015839725.html
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Old 17.06.2016, 14:47
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Of course - they're too busy analyzing all the data that comes in via FISA warrants and NSLs.
Shopkeeper: a foreign looking guy who also spoke foreign came into my gun shop and wanted to buy weapons. He had brown skin so he must have been a terrorist.
FBI: Uh, yeah.

What were you expecting them to do?
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Old 17.06.2016, 14:59
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Shopkeeper: a foreign looking guy who also spoke foreign came into my gun shop and wanted to buy weapons. He had brown skin so he must have been a terrorist.
FBI: Uh, yeah.

What were you expecting them to do?
It is alarming that he asked about body armor and bulk ammunition, don't you think? Brown skinned or not..
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Old 17.06.2016, 15:01
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It is alarming that he asked about body armor and bulk ammunition, don't you think? Brown skinned or not..
In the US - not really
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Old 17.06.2016, 15:14
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It is alarming that he asked about body armor and bulk ammunition, don't you think? Brown skinned or not..
Body armor? As a civilian - probably.


Bulk ammo? no way. I shot competitively for some years (pistol and biathlon) and would routinely go through 500-1000 rounds a week when training ramped up.
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Old 17.06.2016, 15:26
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I'm not saying the extremism across a wide range of ideologies is not worth addressing, but focusing on the small number (50 deaths from terrorism) rather than the big number (32,000 deaths from firearms per year in the US) seems like a distraction technique.
Here's some info concerning the 32,000 firearms deaths per year:

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/...erspective.htm


I don't own guns and I agree with some form of gun control btw, just to make that clear...

Here's some info which shows that the culture of gun violence isn't specific to the US as many Europeans would like to think, (maybe because US headlines travel further than Venezuela, El salvador headlines, etc..):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

The top 11 countries for firearm related deaths per capita are found in the Americas, with the exception of Swaziland...
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Old 17.06.2016, 15:36
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Here's some info concerning the 32,000 firearms deaths per year:

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/...erspective.htm
700-800 people die per year from "accidents" with a firearm - or 1 "Orlando" every 25 days.

Mass shootings are rare - if you consider 139 since the start of 2016 as rare.
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Old 17.06.2016, 15:44
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700-800 people die per year from "accidents" with a firearm - or 1 "Orlando" every 25 days.
it's got a population of 330,000,000.

If you look at the stats in the 2nd link, you'd see that Luxembourg has a higher annual rate per capita of accidental firearms deaths than the US.
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Old 17.06.2016, 15:48
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it's got a population of 330,000,000.
So why worry about 50 people being killed in a "terrorist" shooting?
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Old 17.06.2016, 15:56
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So why worry about 50 people being killed in a "terrorist" shooting?
Because those aren't Crack-N*****s or trailer-trash in some remote ghetto of your town that you never go to anyway?
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Old 17.06.2016, 15:59
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So why worry about 50 people being killed in a "terrorist" shooting?
Trolling..

Why worry about Jo Cox?

Why worry about people dying of cancer?

Why not pretend the problems don't exist?:roll eyes:

Gang homicides worry me, too. And high suicide rates. But understandably, there is a bit less concern for gangbangers getting killed while gangbanging, or for people committing suicide, than for innocent people being massacred by lunatics..
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Old 17.06.2016, 16:10
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Because those aren't Crack-N*****s or trailer-trash in some remote ghetto of your town that you never go to anyway?
WTF?

This is about the most tasteless and disturbing comment I've ever read on EF, if i'm interpreting you correctly. You're saying that only crackhead black people or trailer trash die from gun violence, apart from terrorist acts - and that i'm not not concerned about anyone else? Thanks, you racist asshole, i've had friends die from gun violence and no, they weren't crackheads or trailer trash. Go back under your bridge now, please.
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Old 17.06.2016, 16:15
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Trolling..

Why worry about Jo Cox?

Why worry about people dying of cancer?

Why not pretend the problems don't exist?:roll eyes:
You can't dismiss 700-800 accidental deaths in a year - but have 50 killed in a "terrorist" act as important.

Removing suicides is also folly in my view. Pulling a trigger to shuffle off the mortal coil is a quick and, pretty much always a, terminal decision. Perhaps if there was a reduced access to firearms the suicide rate would drop?

I am not diminishing any loss of life, nor am I suggesting that all of the US's problems would be solved by a full ban (something which I don't support - as I feel it would be unworkable), what I am suggesting though is that perhaps, if there was greater control on firearms then those whose first instinct is to act would actually do far less damage. That is across the board - from Muslim extremist, to unhappy work colleague, to mentally ill white supremacist, to the 3 year old toddler in the back of the car.
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"Due process is getting in the way of the authorities preventing these types of attacks..."


The FBI was right not to arrest Omar Mateen before the shooting - The Washington Post - www.washingtonpost.com
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ign_type=Email
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Old 17.06.2016, 17:18
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You can't dismiss 700-800 accidental deaths in a year - but have 50 killed in a "terrorist" act as important.

Removing suicides is also folly in my view. Pulling a trigger to shuffle off the mortal coil is a quick and, pretty much always a, terminal decision. Perhaps if there was a reduced access to firearms the suicide rate would drop?

I am not diminishing any loss of life, nor am I suggesting that all of the US's problems would be solved by a full ban (something which I don't support - as I feel it would be unworkable), what I am suggesting though is that perhaps, if there was greater control on firearms then those whose first instinct is to act would actually do far less damage. That is across the board - from Muslim extremist, to unhappy work colleague, to mentally ill white supremacist, to the 3 year old toddler in the back of the car.
"You can't dismiss 700-800 accidental deaths in a year - but have 50 killed in a "terrorist" act as important."


It is always interesting what triggers people's concerns. Hospital infections cause or contribute to 99,000 deaths each year in US, say ca. 30 per day.

Most of these deaths are avoidable by adopting simple measures. Our local old people's home has installed hand washing facilities by the entrance and insist all visitors wash their hands; already seen a decrease in infections

If they spent a fraction of the anti-terrorist budget on simple health measures instead a lot more lives could be saved; rant over - nobody cares anyway
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Old 17.06.2016, 17:24
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"You can't dismiss 700-800 accidental deaths in a year - but have 50 killed in a "terrorist" act as important."


It is always interesting what triggers people's concerns. Hospital infections cause or contribute to 99,000 deaths each year in US, say ca. 30 per day.

Most of these deaths are avoidable by adopting simple measures. Our local old people's home has installed hand washing facilities by the entrance and insist all visitors wash their hands; already seen a decrease in infections

If they spent a fraction of the anti-terrorist budget on simple health measures instead a lot more lives could be saved; rant over - nobody cares anyway
I agree and perhaps if the US cut 50% from their defence budget and spent the money on their own people they'd be able to improve other measures of how good a country it actually is.

(Although I'm not sure where you got your 99,000 from)

CDC Report for 2013
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Old 17.06.2016, 17:29
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WTF?

This is about the most tasteless and disturbing comment I've ever read on EF, if i'm interpreting you correctly. You're saying that only crackhead black people or trailer trash die from gun violence, apart from terrorist acts - and that i'm not not concerned about anyone else? Thanks, you racist asshole, i've had friends die from gun violence and no, they weren't crackheads or trailer trash. Go back under your bridge now, please.
Well, I was playing devils advocate, a bit. Would I have had to add sarcasm-tags?
Though I have to say: the gun-deaths in the US don't really concern me that much, either (as individuals) - namely because I didn't know them and they were far away.
A shooting in my town or at my place of work would be in a different league.
I assume, a lot of people in the US feel similarly.
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Well, I was playing devils advocate, a bit. Would I have had to add sarcasm-tags?
Though I have to say: the gun-deaths in the US don't really concern me that much, either (as individuals) - namely because I didn't know them and they were far away.
A shooting in my town or at my place of work would be in a different league.
I assume, a lot of people in the US feel similarly.
actually, gun ownership expressed as a % of the US population, i.e. the % of Americans owning a gun or having a gun owned by someone in their household, has been declining for several decades. at present, roughly 7 in 10 Americans do not own a gun or have access to a gun within their home.

in other words, all this absolute bull we read in the US press about "freedom" is intended solely to keep gun access easy for the 3 out of 10 Americans who can be bothered to exercise that "freedom".

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I agree and perhaps if the US cut 50% from their defence budget and spent the money on their own people they'd be able to improve other measures of how good a country it actually is.

(Although I'm not sure where you got your 99,000 from)

CDC Report for 2013
99,000 came from the US Govt. here

I agree with "if the US cut 50% from their defence budget"

Even more so for Russia.

Male life expectancy in US is 77 years, in Russia 65 years

Although this source says 63 years for Russia.

BTW, for Switzerland it is 81 years so stay here guys (UK 79).

Russia is a classic case of projecting their global image at the expense of their own citizens
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The elephant in the room about gun control is the fact that anyone with a 3D printer can turn out their own gun, the internet is full of suitable recipes; technology is always some steps ahead

Ammunition is a little harder but there are also many Internet primers.

I have always been an avid science fiction reader.
Many such books portrayed the future as a place with a few super rich; the vast majority of the population being poor and struggling to survive and this population riddled with violent terrorists.

I always thought that was nonsense but when I look around at where we are heading ....
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