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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

Call me cynical, but it seems a lucky co-incidence his estranged brother who only communicated through lawyers now seems to be the sole inheritor of the best part of a million squid
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British



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How long did it take for the French police to find the 4 year old girl who hid under the bodies of her dead family members? 8 hours?

Gives you an idea of how long it will be for them to do something more difficult to find the murderer.........
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Call me cynical, but it seems a lucky co-incidence his estranged brother who only communicated through lawyers now seems to be the sole inheritor of the best part of a million squid
Has he been declared the sole inheritor? One of the dead brother's daughters survived (apparently by hiding from the assassin). [Correction: both daughters survived, though one was shot]

About the French police taking 8 hours to find her, the BBC report says this:
"Police were instructed not to disturb the bodies - which was why the al-Hillis' daughter Zeena was not found for eight hours"

They're apparently still interested in him:
"This decision [to lift bail] is logical under British justice. But it does not signify that we are finished with Zaid al-Hilli, nor that he is innocent."
http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/5687...-still-suspect


Some interesting responses here, including repeating back a question verbatim followed by a sharp intake of breath and the idea that it just has to be a local crime.

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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

I guess he would have been the sole inheritor if they all died...
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

Guess it depends on what the father's will said. If his estate was just divided between the two brothers, would the kids inherit the dead brother's share? If the will specifies that if one brother dies, any children inherit his share that would be different.
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Has he been declared the sole inheritor? One of the dead brother's daughters survived (apparently by hiding from the assassin). [Correction: both daughters survived, though one was shot]

About the French police taking 8 hours to find her, the BBC report says this:
"Police were instructed not to disturb the bodies - which was why the al-Hillis' daughter Zeena was not found for eight hours"

They're apparently still interested in him:
"This decision [to lift bail] is logical under British justice. But it does not signify that we are finished with Zaid al-Hilli, nor that he is innocent."
http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/5687...-still-suspect

Some interesting responses here, including repeating back a question verbatim followed by a sharp intake of breath and the idea that it just has to be a local crime.

About "Police were instructed not to disturb the bodies - which was why the al-Hillis' daughter Zeena was not found for eight hours"

Laughable excuse - I assume this meant the bodies in the car; they were shot from outside the car so what would forensics reveal? Nothing!
Did they even check the people were actually dead? People recover today from severe gun shot wounds - even head shots.
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One of the dead brother's daughters survived
Both of the daughters survived.

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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

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If he is found guilty of Murder, he can't inherit under UK Law. I am surprised the children are not the main beneficiary of the will, probably subject to a trust.
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If he is found guilty of Murder, he can't inherit under UK Law. I am surprised the children are not the main beneficiary of the will, probably subject to a trust.
We don't know that they aren't. It's pure speculation on StirB's part to say the brother stands to inherit the lot.

Unless there a clear indication in the will of the mother concerning the property that one brother got everything should the other one die then the two daughters would inherit the dead man's share. ( unless he had made a will stating otherwise)
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We don't know that they aren't. It's pure speculation on StirB's part to say the brother stands to inherit the lot.

Unless there a clear indication in the will of the mother concerning the property that one brother got everything should the other one die then the two daughters would inherit the dead man's share. ( unless he had made a will stating otherwise)
There is a very good chance that inheritance tax will be payable twice as the mother died first, so the Revenue will likely be the biggest winner. No doubt the Swiss bank account would have never come to light in the normal course of events.
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If he is found guilty of Murder, he can't inherit under UK Law. I am surprised the children are not the main beneficiary of the will, probably subject to a trust.
I guess most murderers don't plan to get caught

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We don't know that they aren't. It's pure speculation on StirB's part to say the brother stands to inherit the lot.

Unless there a clear indication in the will of the mother concerning the property that one brother got everything should the other one die then the two daughters would inherit the dead man's share. ( unless he had made a will stating otherwise)
The estate left in the will (some £885,000 worth) was to be split between the two brothers. This was currently unsettled and still with lawyers. If one half of the equation (including wife and kids) were to disappear, where do you think the money would go under UK Law? To the only remaining brother.
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The estate left in the will (some £885,000 worth) was to be split between the two brothers. This was currently unsettled and still with lawyers. If one half of the equation (including wife and kids) were to disappear, where do you think the money would go under UK Law? To the only remaining brother.
Under UK law, it will go to the son's estate...........It's not relevant that the son has died. Looks like the Swiss bank account money not declared
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The estate left in the will (some £885,000 worth) was to be split between the two brothers. This was currently unsettled and still with lawyers. If one half of the equation (including wife and kids) were to disappear, where do you think the money would go under UK Law? To the only remaining brother.
But the kids didn't die so he was thwarted there if he was indeed the murderer.
As he outlived the mother any will he had made ( if he had made one)would take precedence over the brother regardless of whether the estate was settled or not and if he had no will the money will go to his descendants ie his kids.
If he had any sense his will would include what happened to his estate if his wife and kids were also deceased.

As FMF says inheritance tax will account for a large chunk of money anyway.
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But the kids didn't die so he was thwarted there if he was indeed the murderer.
As he outlived the mother any will he had made ( if he had made one)would take precedence over the brother regardless of whether the estate was settled or not and if he had no will the money will go to his descendants ie his kids.
If he had any sense his will would include what happened to his estate if his wife and kids were also deceased.

As FMF says inheritance tax will account for a large chunk of money anyway.
Fair point on IHT, but I think we're making the same point about kids surviving!

Had they not though, I wonder where 'their' half of the cash would have gone. The report also says the surviving brother had recently modified / falsified the will.
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Fair point on IHT, but I think we're making the same point about kids surviving!

Had they not though, I wonder where 'their' half of the cash would have gone. The report also says the surviving brother had recently modified / falsified the will.
It depends on what was written in his will, assuming he had one. If he left money to his wife, there may or may not have been the requirement that she lives for 30 days........... Without a valid will as his wife died (it's assumed she died first in such situations), it would be split equally between any living brothers, sisters & parents at the date of death.

The probable office is always very interested when a will is changed shortly before death (as in the case of my father) they are contacting the witnesses to confirm they believe he was of sound mind, knew what he was signing, wished to sign it & was not being placed under any duress at the time he signed.

Thinking further I suspect there is little further IHT to pay as there is an allowance of 650k for a couple, so dependant on other assets. If the Swiss bank money is added, there will be lots to pay
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

French media & French authorities mean some people in Paris

They hope to have enough evidence to declare
> it was a British matter
> it was an Iraqi matter
> it was in "les provinces alpines Savoyard
> so, let's take it easy and get to the bistro
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Has he been declared the sole inheritor? One of the dead brother's daughters survived (apparently by hiding from the assassin). [Correction: both daughters survived, though one was shot]

About the French police taking 8 hours to find her, the BBC report says this:
"Police were instructed not to disturb the bodies - which was why the al-Hillis' daughter Zeena was not found for eight hours"

They're apparently still interested in him:
"This decision [to lift bail] is logical under British justice. But it does not signify that we are finished with Zaid al-Hilli, nor that he is innocent."
http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/5687...-still-suspect


Some interesting responses here, including repeating back a question verbatim followed by a sharp intake of breath and the idea that it just has to be a local crime.

Another comment about ""Police were instructed not to disturb the bodies - which was why the al-Hillis' daughter Zeena was not found for eight hours"


I just looked at the map - the place where the murders took place is about 50Km from Aix le Bains which has a big police presence. It is also about 150Km from Lyon which is a French city with half million people - so where were the police forensics for 8 hours?
Maybe they had to bicycle from Lyon so could only manage 20Kmh?
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

Without knowing how long forensic investigations usually take, especially if investigators have to get to an out-of-the-way place and without knowing whether a car with bodies in it would be moved somewhere else for the interior to be examined, eight hours might not be so long. If the police at the scene had checked that the mother was dead, they would have had no reason to remove her from the car if they had been told not to disturb the evidence, and if the daughter was traumatised, she would have had no reason to give a sign of life.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annecy_shootings
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Without knowing how long forensic investigations usually take, especially if investigators have to get to an out-of-the-way place and without knowing whether a car with bodies in it would be moved somewhere else for the interior to be examined, eight hours might not be so long. If the police at the scene had checked that the mother was dead, they would have had no reason to remove her from the car if they had been told not to disturb the evidence, and if the daughter was traumatised, she would have had no reason to give a sign of life.
As everyone was apparently dead, waiting 8 hours would not change anything either.
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As everyone was apparently dead, waiting 8 hours would not change anything either.
They were lucky the daughter was not wounded and bled to death....
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