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Old 06.09.2012, 22:33
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Why weren't the children in school? Normal school in the UK started this week.
Blimey, try asking the parents who are now dead!

The 4 year old is not obliged by UK law to be at school. The 7 or 8 year old, perhaps they got special permission, or private school that starts later!
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Why weren't the children in school? Normal school in the UK started this week.
Just an observation, it is a terrible tragedy especially for the children, but it would be a question I would ask. Father Iraqi decent, Mother Irani decent, Grandmother Swedish passport, UK passports happened in France. Six countries are involved already! A professional hit man leaves no one alive! So the guy is into image processing - Iraq - We may unfortunately never know why or who!

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Old 06.09.2012, 23:17
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Just an observation, it is a terrible tragedy especially for the children, but it would be a question I would ask. Father Iraqi decent, Mother Irani decent, Grandmother Swedish passport, UK passports happened in France. Six countries are involved already! A professional hit man leaves no one alive! So the guy is into image processing - Iraq - We may unfortunately never know why or who!
It could have been a random senseless crime as well and not connected to these particular people.

Sad and horrible story either way.
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Old 06.09.2012, 23:37
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It could have been a random senseless crime as well and not connected to these particular people.

Sad and horrible story either way.
My opinion too professional for a local robber, gun, way it was done points to a hit job!
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Old 06.09.2012, 23:39
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

Or maybe a hate crime.
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Old 06.09.2012, 23:43
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Here's a novel idea - why don't you read the news reports yourself?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...-shooting-live
Because I do not find them very convincing; most of them look like they were invented by the reporter who wrote them based on a few scraps of real information.
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Old 06.09.2012, 23:48
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Or maybe a hate crime.
I reckon it was a planned professional "hit".

What I would guess as an affluent man, probably of middle eastern origin, living in an affluent area of the UK, must have made enemies along the way, who would pay some "gangster" type, a small sum, to get even.
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

Naturally it's all conjecture until more evidence comes to light. What does however strongly suggest a "hit" are the large number of shell cases found at the scene. Somebody really wanted to eradicate this family. My personal views aside, this is a tragody - regardless of the nationality or heritage of the people involved. I rather suspect though that the truth never will in fact become apparent.
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Old 07.09.2012, 00:04
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So, how many adults were in the car?

The little girl was noticed by the first team but they thought she was dead because she "so still". At least that's what the prosecutor said.
These were trained police officers & they did not check if the victims were really dead by, for example, checking pulses or looking for wounds?
Maybe they could have saved others? Head wounds are not always fatal!
What a bunch of hopeless amateurs!
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Well, this thread's going well, isn't it?

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These were trained police officers & they did not check if the victims were really dead by, for example, checking pulses or looking for wounds?
Maybe they could have saved others? Head wounds are not always fatal!
What a bunch of hopeless amateurs!
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Are you just trolling, or actually this stupid in real life too?
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Old 07.09.2012, 00:23
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Well, this thread's going well, isn't it?
About on par, don't you think?
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Old 07.09.2012, 00:28
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I reckon it was a planned professional "hit".
Indeed, why else would the bicyclist figure in?

Either he was an idiot, or the shots were silenced, i.e. a hit.

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Old 07.09.2012, 00:32
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Indeed, why else would the bicyclist figure in?

Either he was an idiot, or the shots were silenced, i.e. a hit.

Tom
I kind of agree - but if you were out and about in the middle of nowhere and heard something that sounded like gunshots, wouldn't you be curious?
Either that or he just pedalled past at exactly the wrong moment.
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Old 07.09.2012, 00:35
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I kind of agree - but if you were out and about in the middle of nowhere and heard something that sounded like gunshots, wouldn't you be curious?
Tough question.

Personally, as I hear them here from time to time, it's hard to say, especially now that it's hunting season.

Sucks either way.

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Old 07.09.2012, 01:14
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Well, this thread's going well, isn't it?



Are you just trolling, or actually this stupid in real life too?
You really do not believe that trained professional police officers should actually physically check if victims are really dead?

The quote was "she looked dead from a distance so we did not check further".

Yes I must be stupid if I believe that trying to save human lives has the top priority versus "keeping the crime scene clean".
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Naturally it's all conjecture until more evidence comes to light. What does however strongly suggest a "hit" are the large number of shell cases found at the scene. Somebody really wanted to eradicate this family. My personal views aside, this is a tragody - regardless of the nationality or heritage of the people involved. I rather suspect though that the truth never will in fact become apparent.
About "What does however strongly suggest a "hit" are the large number of shell cases found at the scene"

Really? I would have thought professionals would get up close & use a minimum of bullets
I mean so far as we know the victims were not carrying weapons so getting close would not be risky??
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These were trained police officers & they did not check if the victims were really dead by, for example, checking pulses or looking for wounds?
Maybe they could have saved others? Head wounds are not always fatal!
What a bunch of hopeless amateurs!
Come back inspector Clouseau, all is forgiven!!
Apparently, I was wrong about what I reported in that it turns out that they didn't see the little girl at all and it was only when they spoke to people at the campsite that they found out there were two children. Then the found the little girl perfectly still under the mother's skirt. Poor child!

I think they could figure out that the people were dead. It wasn't exactly one person who made the determination, rather a few people. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and speculation like the rest of us.
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Apparently, I was wrong about what I reported in that it turns out that they didn't see the little girl at all and it was only when they spoke to people at the campsite that they found out there were two children. Then the found the little girl perfectly still under the mother's skirt. Poor child!

I think they could figure out that the people were dead. It wasn't exactly one person who made the determination, rather a few people. Of course you are entitled to your opinion and speculation like the rest of us.
More details become known now
> the cyclist who also was shot was a Savoyard
> one dead woman had Swedish citizenship
> the killed driver, born 1962, had Iraqi citizenship
> the cyclist who discovered the whole thing is a former Royal Air Force man who owns a house in the area
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You really do not believe that trained professional police officers should actually physically check if victims are really dead?

The quote was "she looked dead from a distance so we did not check further".

Yes I must be stupid if I believe that trying to save human lives has the top priority versus "keeping the crime scene clean".

Thanks for confirming that.
Probably time for your next CSI box set, isn't it?

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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

For the hard of reading, the police stated that they didn't want to disturb a crime scene and perhaps lose vital forensic evidence. Not only was there a visual check of the occupants, they used a thermal imaging camera. She was hidden, so she didn't "look dead" - she wasn't visible. It's understandable that they didn't think there was the possiblity of someone being alive in there. As soon as they found out about the second daughter, the priorities changed and they got her out.
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