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Old 09.09.2012, 17:53
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Fair enough Leafy, but what if the cyclist was the target for whatever reason, and the family were coming round the corner at exactly the wrong moment.

Speculation, speculation, speculation.
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Fair enough Leafy, but what if the cyclist was the target for whatever reason

Then I'll eat my tin foil hat, of course
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Then I'll eat my tin foil hat, of course
I hope you don't have fillings then - ouch
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Old 09.09.2012, 18:35
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

No I did`t say it, that the israelis are involved ,not yet
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Old 09.09.2012, 20:45
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Fair enough Leafy, but what if the cyclist was the target for whatever reason, and the family were coming round the corner at exactly the wrong moment.

Speculation, speculation, speculation.
Gosh wouldn't that be even worse. The whole story if awful. I suspect we are not going to find out what happened for quite a while. Let's hope that they find the killer(s).

I did read somewhere that there are signs that the BMW pulled into the car park quickly and tried to make a hasty exit. Perhaps it the family that stumbled upon the cyclist being targeted. It would make more sense that the killer(s) knew that the cyclist when cycling that way often.

I wonder how the little girl got out of the car. They say they found the doors locked.

Yes, speculation, speculation. I don't know why this kind of stuff fascinates people. Me included. Like I said, I'm a bit of a true crime addict.

And this story reminds me of the Italian guy back in the late 1980s who killed women and an Anncey cop and then fled to Switzerland where her wreaked more havoc.
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Old 09.09.2012, 20:55
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The Independent has ample coverage along with what is known/verifiable atm and the prevailing theories
The Independent mentions that the BMW was apparently trying to turn around, as it had come to a dead-end (the road ahead was rough and closed to normal traffic), and tire marks show it backing into the hill behind.

The Independent article also suggests that they were dressed for a day in town, rather than the hills, an perhaps had been trying to shake a tail, when they ended up where they did.

As regards the daughter, perhaps she had gotten out for a pee, and when all hell broke loose, she was in the woods, and the parents locked the car and tried to get away.

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Old 09.09.2012, 21:10
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As regards the daughter, perhaps she had gotten out for a pee, and when all hell broke loose, she was in the woods, and the parents locked the car and tried to get away.

Tom
I don't know any parent that would leave their kid in the presence of a hitman while they lock their doors and try to drive away

...oh, wait, what if the hitman had kidnapped the 7 year old and was holding her hostage with him, and had persuaded the family to meet to release her in exchange for (money, secrets, etc.) but then just killed everyone?

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I'd say we visit Annecy at least once every 6 weeks but I must confess there is, despite the obvious, a certain unease about returning just yet
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The sad truth is, that the senseless killings is not only a North American thing
The "senseless killing thing" in North America happens every week. Just in Chicago alone, in one week, there were 40 shootings resulting in some deaths. Just forget comparing the gun violence and killings in America to anywhere else except Iraq or Afghanistan, which one soldier stated "the violence in America reminds him of those countries." Some have even been killed in the States after returning from tours of duty!
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The "senseless killing thing" in North America happens every week. Just in Chicago alone, in one week, there were 40 shootings resulting in some deaths. Just forget comparing the gun violence and killings in America to anywhere else except Iraq or Afghanistan, which one soldier stated "the violence in America reminds him of those countries." Some have even been killed in the States after returning from tours of duty!
Whoa, easy tiger - We don't want the NRA lot piling into our little Euro murder mystery thread
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Old 10.09.2012, 10:48
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Although a pedant might argue that a professional hit cannot be 'senseless'.

It is 100% pre-meditated, very carefully planed and carried out, for a very specific reason (although the reason itself can be senseless in the opinion of everyone but the person who commissioned the hit).

In other words, it's actually quite 'purposeful'.
agree. it is quite the opposite of 'senseless'.
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Old 10.09.2012, 10:52
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agree. it is quite the opposite of 'senseless'.
I disagree, if indeed this was a professional hit then the target was most likely the man, not his wife, mother in law or the two kids. Therefore it was senseless in that the killer was prepared to wipe everyone out to get one individual.
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Old 10.09.2012, 10:56
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agree. it is quite the opposite of 'senseless'.
Not at all. Any murder is senseless, irrespective of the circumstances.
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Old 10.09.2012, 11:02
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I disagree, if indeed this was a professional hit then the target was most likely the man, not his wife, mother in law or the two kids. Therefore it was senseless in that the killer was prepared to wipe everyone out to get one individual.
Makes total sense to kill all the witnesses and perhaps prevent retaliation from surviving relatives.
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Old 10.09.2012, 11:07
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

House in the UK now cordoned-off by police and neighbouring houses evacuated due to "substance" found in victims' house.
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Old 10.09.2012, 11:57
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For the hard of reading, the police stated that they didn't want to disturb a crime scene and perhaps lose vital forensic evidence. Not only was there a visual check of the occupants, they used a thermal imaging camera. She was hidden, so she didn't "look dead" - she wasn't visible. It's understandable that they didn't think there was the possiblity of someone being alive in there. As soon as they found out about the second daughter, the priorities changed and they got her out.
About "a visual check of the occupants, they used a thermal imaging camera."

"A visual check" - so they could check vital signs from a distance

"they used a thermal imaging camera" - well that clearly did not work...!

About "the police stated that they didn't want to disturb a crime scene" - for me, not a sufficient reason!
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Old 10.09.2012, 12:03
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Frightening developments. Bomb squad called in:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...i-8121247.html
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Old 10.09.2012, 12:45
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Seriously people! Do we have to debate if murders are "senseless" or not!? It is not and never is justified and they are always "senseless".

These are human people with friends and family. No matter what the "target" did, murder is not justified nor is killing the others who are innocent. For pete's sake!

If you want to say the father was doing "bad things" then a professional killer should be professional and just kill the ONE target is a place where this person is alone! The whole thing IS senseless!!

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About "a visual check of the occupants, they used a thermal imaging camera."

"A visual check" - so they could check vital signs from a distance

"they used a thermal imaging camera" - well that clearly did not work...!

About "the police stated that they didn't want to disturb a crime scene" - for me, not a sufficient reason!
Frankly, you were not there. So what you find "sufficient" is only speculation. You've given your opinion of this same exact point 3 times now, at least. We get it.
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FFS mods - leave it out, eh?

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About "a visual check of the occupants, they used a thermal imaging camera."

"A visual check" - so they could check vital signs from a distance

"they used a thermal imaging camera" - well that clearly did not work...!

About "the police stated that they didn't want to disturb a crime scene" - for me, not a sufficient reason!

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Oi! mods - seriously WTF???

Why has my reply of "blimey..." just been deleted in reply to Deep Purple's news that the bomb squad have been called in.


Stop it, please.
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