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French shooting killing 4 British

A shooting just happened in the French alps 4 British were shot and killed. They say the car had British plates and one killed was also a bicycle. One other is still alive and is in bad shape.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19494892
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Old 06.09.2012, 08:22
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

Three British (one man, two women). One local. Two young girls found alive (one 8 y.o. critically injured), one 4 y.o. apparently uninjured.

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Old 06.09.2012, 08:44
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Nasty, very unpleasant. Bit of a mystery as to any motive here. I have nothing new to add, but a sad day for those unfortunate victims who died in a beautiful area.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19494892

Saw this on the news this morning. My first thought was that my nephew is touring France by car. It's amazing how your imagination runs riot when you hear these things.
Terrible.
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Old 06.09.2012, 08:54
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

Anyone know if "the father" refers to the father of the family, or the father of the girl?
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Old 06.09.2012, 09:02
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Anyone know if "the father" refers to the father of the family, or the father of the girl?
I assume both, it sounds like he was the father of both girls.
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Old 06.09.2012, 10:10
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

What an awful thing to happen. Was the British family robbed and then was shot? Did the local cyclist happen to ride by and was shot too?

I will never understand how humans can be so brutal to innocent people.
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

what an awful tragedy.

Just read the news in a french paper. They say the cyclist who found it was passed by the (now dead) cyclist. Seems it was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Same for the family.

The strange thing is the high number of cartridges found on the ground (around 15....)

It happened around 4 pm and a car was seens speeding throught the village just after that time.
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

I thought it might have been a murder-suicide thing, but evidently the police say the car was riddled with bullets, though whether they were shot from the outside or inside the car they haven't said. The assumption at the moment is that the cyclist must have ridden into the situation unknowningly and has paid the ultimate price, but the police don't have too much to go on yet.

The question is, if it was someone outside the car, was it a robbery gone wrong or something more sinister?

Sincere condolences to the relatives who must be deeply shocked.
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Re: French shooting killing 4 British

My first thoughts were for the 4 year old girl who hid under the bodies of her dead family members until midnight. I just can't imagine the amount of pain and trauma she is going through right now.
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Jesus, this is grisly :-(

The Police can't even identify them until forensics are finished so of course everything is pure speculation at this point.
But it seems so brutal, even for a robbery - I'm wondering if they were all (car & cyclist) wrong place, wrong time & witnessed something they shouldn't have...

Horrible.
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My first thoughts were for the 4 year old girl who hid under the bodies of her dead family members until midnight. I just can't imagine the amount of pain and trauma she is going through right now.
How long did it take for the French police to find the 4 year old girl who hid under the bodies of her dead family members? 8 hours?

Gives you an idea of how long it will be for them to do something more difficult to find the murderer.........
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How long did it take for the French police to find the 4 year old girl who hid under the bodies of her dead family members? 8 hours?

Gives you an idea of how long it will be for them to do something more difficult to find the murderer.........
I think it might be more because the incident happened in a remote area and nobody was on the scene for a stretch of time than the French police simply missing a little girl under the bodies of the adults.
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Old 06.09.2012, 16:36
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They also stated that they were unaware there was anyone else in the car (she was hiding under the bodies) and didn't want to disturb the crime scene. It was only when they were made aware of the composition of the missing family that they went back to look for the 4 year old.
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How long did it take for the French police to find the 4 year old girl who hid under the bodies of her dead family members? 8 hours?

Gives you an idea of how long it will be for them to do something more difficult to find the murderer.........
The delay was because they were waiting for the forensics team to arrive from Paris, not through any fault of the local police. They did the right thing by not touching/opening anything to preserve the crime scene for forensic analysis. Even a thermal imaging camera in a helicoptor didn't pick up any distinctive heat signatures to indicate that there might be someone still alive in the vehicle. With the child completely hidden they had no reason to suspect there was anyone else there, until the residents at the caravan park told them that there was a second child in the family. Once they knew they acted quickly to find her.
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Umm, acording to some newspaper reports the incident was reported by a cyclist who was overtaken by the cyclist who was found dead at the scene. If correct then I suppose the police were there relatively quickly?
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Umm, acording to some newspaper reports the incident was reported by a cyclist who was overtaken by the cyclist who was found dead at the scene. If correct then I suppose the police were there relatively quickly?
And I bet he is now thanking every deity under the sun that he didn't cycle any quicker .
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The delay was because they were waiting for the forensics team to arrive from Paris, not through any fault of the local police. They did the right thing by not touching/opening anything to preserve the crime scene for forensic analysis. Even a thermal imaging camera in a helicoptor didn't pick up any distinctive heat signatures to indicate that there might be someone still alive in the vehicle. With the child completely hidden they had no reason to suspect there was anyone else there, until the residents at the caravan park told them that there was a second child in the family. Once they knew they acted quickly to find her.
I suppose they did check the victims were really dead or did they just fly a helicopter over the scene at a respectful distance?
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The delay was because they were waiting for the forensics team to arrive from Paris, not through any fault of the local police. They did the right thing by not touching/opening anything to preserve the crime scene for forensic analysis. Even a thermal imaging camera in a helicoptor didn't pick up any distinctive heat signatures to indicate that there might be someone still alive in the vehicle. With the child completely hidden they had no reason to suspect there was anyone else there, until the residents at the caravan park told them that there was a second child in the family. Once they knew they acted quickly to find her.
About "They did the right thing by not touching/opening anything to preserve the crime scene for forensic analysis"

So how did they get the 8 year old girl out?
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About "They did the right thing by not touching/opening anything to preserve the crime scene for forensic analysis"

So how did they get the 8 year old girl out?
The 8 year old was outside when the cyclist found her, lying beside the car who's motor was still running.
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