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Old 26.05.2020, 13:27
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Award-winning Observer columnist Carole Cadwalladr who bravely brought us the Cambridge Analytica scandal – tries to spell out this Cummings story and what’s going on. “This is the official machinery of the state. The civil service is now involved. And what they are saying in this statement contradicts a police report. So somebody is lying. The civil service? Or the police? Why does the Cummings story matter? And what does it obscure? The real story is the huge transfer of government assets to private companies that he is overseeing under cover of a pandemic while restructuring the Cabinet Office into his & Michael Gove’s private fiefdom. We have no insight into these contracts which did not go to tender but to Cummings’s friends & associates. Including a massive transfer of our most private, intimate NHS data. The privatisation of essential state functions is happening in real time in almost complete darkness. Cummings made absolutely clear his conditions for working in government were smashing civil service and rebuilding in his image and creating British ‘ARPA’ – an AI-driven research facility. That’s exactly what he’s doing right now in Cabinet Office with Gove his long-time co-conspirator. Sure, the hypocrisy and entitlement of Cummings is breathtaking but there’s a far darker story that it obscures and it’s why the focus must be on Johnson now and his decision to throw weight of his office – statement from No 10 – behind him.”
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What yarn? What lie? There are the facts from the horse's mouth. Any muddied message is down to him and Johnson not managing to get their story straight.
You know, the bit where two national newspapers (Observer and Mirror) ran front pages saying he went up to Durham for a second time? "Aren't the bluebells nice"? The police supposedly talking to him about lockdown? All LIES! Are we just supposed to pretend that they never printed this?!

That's BEFORE you get to the hounding of him whilst holding his four year old child, the lack of social distancing and the doorstepping of his elderly parents. They're a DISGRACE!!

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Old 26.05.2020, 13:33
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No comparison. This happened last Sunday after lockdown restrictions were relaxed. Apparently groups of 4 are allowed to meet and nobody travelled more than 5km from home. The only criticism is that they were not standing 2m apart from each other.

DC, travelling nearly 300 miles in March at the very height of lockdown at a time his bosses was telling people to STAY HOME. Not only that, he and his wife supposedly had the virus. Oh, and he lied through his teeth about what really happened. Only an utter simpleton would believe that ridiculous tale of doing a 30 mile test drive because his eyes were bothering him
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Not even remotely close to the same thing.
If you go down this road then what Leo Varadkar did is arguably worse because he is (was) an elected leader of the country rather than a mere advisor! If one is going to call for people to be sacked for deviating slightly from the letter of the law then it has to applied it to all.
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Old 26.05.2020, 13:38
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There is a massive difference right now, and it is that it is not just the 'left/liberal' press, representing one section of the population- but the very press that represents the 'other side' - those who so far have pushed for Brexit, anti EU, pro Tory, pro Johnson - they hava turned, because they know their readers are very angry, feel cheated and mocked, lied to - they have made huge sacrifices in last 2 months - obeying not 'advice' but 'instructions' - they have lost loved ones without being able to be with them, they have not seen grandchildren, they have lost their jobs and so much more.

I say you ain't seen nothing yet. Watch.

Your are talking nonsense - he didn't deviate SLIGHTLY (and you know that, of course- they were both sick with Covid). And the bluebells were at Barnard Castle - he did go there, no? In fact, he went there and was quite keep to be seen - it seems. Why would he?

Johnson's rating has dropped 20% in a couple of days!
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Johnson's rating has dropped 20% in a couple of days!
Of course it has, 7 weeks after the peak the country is still in lockdown! Dithering and hopeless governance of the Coronavirus is the real story. Approaching 37,000 deaths, economy in tatters yet the country is obsessed with a government advisor and turning out to clap the NHS every Thursday night. It's insane!
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Old 26.05.2020, 13:51
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If you go down this road then what Leo Varadkar did is arguably worse because he is (was) an elected leader of the country rather than a mere advisor! If one is going to call for people to be sacked for deviating slightly from the letter of the law then it has to applied it to all.

DC deviated slightly from the letter of the law! Oh come on you really cannot be that stupid. It wasn't a slight deviation but a cross country road trip spreading the virus as he went. Are you really so blind and obsessed that you cannot even consider for one second that DC was in the WRONG


PS Hint this is not connected and has nothing to do with BREXIT
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Old 26.05.2020, 13:54
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No they don't. The media are pushing this. No one else is losing sleep.


Yes I do.


Neither do you, or anyone else on this forum. My opinions are just as valid as yours. Stop trying to be 'the' authority on the subject and speaking on behalf of the UK as a nation, and shouting other people down.
The same tactics were used on other threads to no avail.


Everyone is welcome to have their say without basically being told to 'shut up' by people who think they know better.
If there was a bit less mobbing and groaning, then maybe more than the usual 10 to 15 posters would participate.

Yet you do the very same thing. You and your cronies employ that tactic all the time, do you not? With the age-old term of "hysteria" et al. And you are one of the first to become remarkably aggressive when nay said. Or is it "having strong opinions " when you do it?

I at least live in the UK and understand very well what is happening and how a great of people feel. Have you at least conversed recently at length with real folk who live there?

In this case the media isn't pushing anything. Social media, however, is aflame.

And it is my opinion that you don't have a clue.

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Old 26.05.2020, 13:56
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Social media, however, is aflame.
Did you learn nothing from last year. Social media is not real life!
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Old 26.05.2020, 13:57
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You know, the bit where two national newspapers (Observer and Mirror) ran front pages saying he went up to Durham for a second time? "Aren't the bluebells nice"? The police supposedly talking to him about lockdown? All LIES! Are we just supposed to pretend that they never printed this?!

That's BEFORE you get to the hounding of him whilst holding his four year old child, the lack of social distancing and the doorstepping of his elderly parents. They're a DISGRACE!!
The police spoke to his parents who confirmed he was isolating in another part of the house.

He drove to a secondary location - Barnard Castle. There is ANPR proof of this apparently.

What other lies? What doorstepping of his parents? Proof please.

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Did you learn nothing from last year. Social media is not real life!


Yet you believe everything you read in the Mail?


You mean everything and everyone on all forms of social media, including fora, might not be, IRL, as they present themelves to be online?

Shocked. I. Am. Shocked. This is an entirely new piece of information from which I will likely never recover.
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Old 26.05.2020, 14:11
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It was Priti Patel last time the knives were out.

The only people 'outraged/confused' are the ones still raging against BoJo, Brexit etc.
This is just more of the vocal minority portraying they speak for the majority.

The majority probably won't give a sh1te and are more worried that they'll be unemployed soon, their kid's education is hit, taxes will go up, house prices are tanking (though that's a bit of good news).
Someone bailing out of London and heading for the country house is not a story. Someone taking a drive is not a story. Someone taking a walk in the woods is not a story.

Is this story peak virtue signalling?

This has zero to do with Brexit and, as you full well know, these are not normal times when people are free to come and go as they please. There are people in UK who were in a far worse situation and with far less resources, heartbroken because they followed the instructions of DC's boss and stayed at home while their loved ones died.
Try telling them that what DC did is not a slap in the face to not only them but those working on the front line trying to save the lives of people DC may have spread the virus to without regard because! I think you will find that they do give a shite!
You assume that people who are appalled by his behaviour are a vocal minority. Think for a minute while you rush to come to the defence of this worthless and cowardly man that perhaps you, sitting safe in Zurich, are part of the vocal minority using the dreaded Brexit to justify any position. The majority living in UK very likely do care a great deal about this, whatever their political beliefs and stance on Brexit
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This has zero to do with Brexit and, as you full well know, these are not normal times when people are free to come and go as they please. There are people in UK who were in a far worse situation and with far less resources, heartbroken because they followed the instructions of DC's boss and stayed at home while their loved ones died.
Try telling them that what DC did is not a slap in the face to not only them but those working on the front line trying to save the lives of people DC may have spread the virus to without regard because! I think you will find that they do give a shite!
You assume that people who are appalled by his behaviour are a vocal minority. Think for a minute while you rush to come to the defence of this worthless and cowardly man that perhaps you, sitting safe in Zurich, are part of the vocal minority using the dreaded Brexit to justify any position. The majority living in UK very likely do care a great deal about this, whatever their political beliefs and stance on Brexit
This. Damn. And I am currently out of rep to give.
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Douglas Ross resigns as under-secretary of state for Scotland over Cumming's actions.

Typical Trump Boris mess.
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This has zero to do with Brexit...
So much so that a prominent Remainer Gina Miller now wants Dominic Cummings done with dangerous driving!

This is just about getting rid of him, plain and simple.

https://twitter.com/thatginamiller/s...76520503836673

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The police spoke to his parents who confirmed he was isolating in another part of the house.

He drove to a secondary location - Barnard Castle. There is ANPR proof of this apparently.

What other lies? What doorstepping of his parents? Proof please.
This doorstepping:

https://twitter.com/NSP55/status/1265043854283210758

These lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ockdown-claims
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...kdown-22075857
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-23/...ckdown-denial/
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The man also suffers from a lack of honour. BJ doesn't need to sack him. He should resign without being asked first.

I also wonder why he didn't just resign, he doesn't need the money, nor the stress.

However, seems like BoJo is supporting him. I don't know if this because there is no case to answer, or they think it will blow over, or they are making a stand against the media.
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I also wonder why he didn't just resign, he doesn't need the money, nor the stress.

However, seems like BoJo is supporting him. I don't know if this because there is no case to answer, or they think it will blow over, or they are making a stand against the media.
Perhaps they're biding their moment, there's still A LOT of bad news to come out over their handling of the Coronavirus that'll need burying at some point.

Also, why wasn't there the uproar when other politicians like Stephen Kinnock or Tahir Ali broke the lockdown? My guess is because Dominic Cummings is the boogie man living rent free inside the Remainer's, the Media (and RufusB, Odile and Mr Dog's) head!
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The hoi polloi lurking at the distant gates of your manor house is not what people normally think of as doorstepping?
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I also wonder why he didn't just resign, he doesn't need the money, nor the stress.

However, seems like BoJo is supporting him. I don't know if this because there is no case to answer, or they think it will blow over, or they are making a stand against the media.
Or he has the goods on Bojo
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I can't access the twitter one from the device I'm on but if it's him getting into his car, that happens to a lot of political folk. If it's the one with his neighbours heckling him, that's beyond grim and I feel for his wife and child.

The first and third links have been proven to be true (from Cummings himself and a Durham Constabulary official press release). The second one is the contentious one, yet to be proven or disproved categorically. Easily done, I imagine, with car /phone location data.
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