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There we are, we agree at last- it certainly is bonkers, from beginning to start ...
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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

He did some pretty criminal things. Endangered, unnecessarily his sonís life by exposing him to the virus and by driving him for over four hours while impaired.

Driving without full vision was another criminal offense, endangering his life, the lives of his passengers and the lives of innocent bystanders.

To me his whole story seems too glib, too well thought out, too rehearsed. I donít find it believable.
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The point is that once the original accusations have fallen completely flat so the goal posts have been moved to look for ANYTHING which will result in Mr Cummings losing his job. This is otherwise known as a witch hunt.

Every lie that the press have told us on this story: That he returned to Durham twice, that he had physical contact with family members, that the police warned Mr Cummings about lockdown guidelines. All of it not true, so now people are trying to analyse whether or not he was fit to drive. Bonkers!
You are purposefully ignoring the stated facts. I notice you haven't said anything about the 2 of the 3 links of "lies" you posted that... are not lies. Why are you harping on about this stuff above when the narrative told by Cummings himself is actually far worse.

Why do you think he should keep his job? Why do you think people are angry at his behaviour? I take it you don't do empathy?

And yes, according to the DVLA, driving while you believe your vision to be impaired in any way is an offence.
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Old 26.05.2020, 21:55
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The point is that once the original accusations have fallen completely flat so the goal posts have been moved to look for ANYTHING which will result in Mr Cummings losing his job. This is otherwise known as a witch hunt.

Every lie that the press have told us on this story: That he returned to Durham twice, that he had physical contact with family members, that the police warned Mr Cummings about lockdown guidelines. All of it not true, so now people are trying to analyse whether or not he was fit to drive. Bonkers!
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Tso now people are trying to analyse whether or not he was fit to drive. Bonkers!

Yep, and his own wife (according to the words that came out of his mouth) questioned his fitness to drive and hence the reason for the "test drive". Truly Bonkers
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Yep, and his own wife (according to the words that came out of his mouth) questioned his fitness to drive and hence the reason for the "test drive". Truly Bonkers
with OH, we always share the driving - and if either of us is feeling under the weather, for whatever reason, the other one drives. Anything else if bonkers.
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Old 26.05.2020, 22:05
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I'm assuming Mary Wakefield cannot drive. Nothing has been said.
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Plenty of evidence that she is an experienced driver- she has written about it many times. Like here

'' Yes, in a Spectator article in 2012, Mary Wakefield stated that she could indeed drive.

Mary Wakefield, who has worked for The Spectator for several decades, wrote in a 2012 article: “I drove for an hour every morning, slaloming past the road-rage wrecks of battered trucks, up the 135 from Dallas to Denton.”
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You are purposefully ignoring the stated facts. I notice you haven't said anything about the 2 of the 3 links of "lies" you posted that... are not lies. Why are you harping on about this stuff above when the narrative told by Cummings himself is actually far worse.

Why do you think he should keep his job? Why do you think people are angry at his behaviour? I take it you don't do empathy?
It is empathy pure when you think it is wrong that someone should lose their job by wanting to do what's best for their family.

And I didn't say anything because you're wrong, all three lies I posted are just that, lies. If you can't see that then what's the point in trying to correct you?
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It is empathy pure when you think it is wrong that someone should lose their job by wanting to do what's best for their family.

And I didn't say anything because you're wrong, all three lies I posted are just that, lies. If you can't see that then what's the point in trying to correct you?
Because these are no lies? So nothing to correct.
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Old 26.05.2020, 22:46
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I cannot think of any adult I know who - other than if they were very drunk - would set out on a test drive, while feeling sick and fearing their vision to be impaired, to determine whether their driving was alright. Let alone take their spouse and child with them on such a test run. Nor, on the other hand, who would consent to being the passenger during such test run.

Just imagine, if you had a spouse, friend, neighbour, work colleague, ask you: "Would you please come with me in my car, now, while I drive around for 30 minutes with a child as the other passenger, so I can see whether my blurry vision and feeling ill is perhaps not really so bad, so that I could set off on my long journey?" Would you not talk the person out of driving, or, if that didn't help, confiscate their keys (as you would with any seriously drunk, tripping, psychotic or feverish person, or one filled with silly teenage bravado)?

Now if this person said: "Well, I admit that my vision's a bit blurred, and I'm feeling really bad, and my symptoms actually match a currently globally relevant, highly infectious and potentially fatal disease, for which there are serious travel restrictions in place. Even so, I've decided to flout those travel restrictions, and to toss aside basic driving safety precautions, and to set off and drive across a chunk of the country, and when I get there, I'm going to go and sit in the offices with other senior people who comprise the leadership of this country....", would you not jump up and grab those keys out of his hand with the speed of summer lightening? I would.

And could such a person be ranked as anywhere near trustworthy, after that show of irresponsible behaviour? No, just no.

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Old 26.05.2020, 22:51
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Reminds me of Rees-Mogg- who blamed Grenfell victims for obeying advice- it was their fault if their burnt and suffocated to death. The entitlement and arrogance of the spivs and the gold spoon old boys' network is beyond contempt and sick.

Jonathan Pie says it better than I ever could. Warning- he swears a lot- fine by me on this occasion

https://youtu.be/tDnGQemzf2s
Tom Walker is a genius level communicator. Also forking funny. He's got his finger firmly on the pulse here.
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It is empathy pure when you think it is wrong that someone should lose their job by wanting to do what's best for their family.

And I didn't say anything because you're wrong, all three lies I posted are just that, lies. If you can't see that then what's the point in trying to correct you?
But the 1st and 3rd are not lies. It's proven, as I have said before. The 2nd is the only contentious one. So you are wrong. They are not all lies. But don't let the truth get in the way, eh?
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But the 1st and 3rd are not lies. It's proven, as I have said before. The 2nd is the only contentious one. So you are wrong. They are not all lies. But don't let the truth get in the way, eh?
Wrong! Mr Cummings did not return to Durham on the 19th April. The police didnít speak to him or his family about breaching lockdown regulations.
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The point is that once the original accusations have fallen completely flat so the goal posts have been moved to look for ANYTHING which will result in Mr Cummings losing his job. This is otherwise known as a witch hunt.

Every lie that the press have told us on this story: That he returned to Durham twice, that he had physical contact with family members, that the police warned Mr Cummings about lockdown guidelines. All of it not true, so now people are trying to analyse whether or not he was fit to drive. Bonkers!
1. There is an independent witness stating he saw Cummings on the 19th. He stands by his story and Cummings has failed to prove otherwise.
2. The 1st statement by Durham Police said they did talk about lockdown guidelines. They changed their story yesterday. I wonder why...

So no press lies there..as Rufus says the jury is out on family members.

Cummings otoh has lied repeatedly and provably. Particularly about Barnard Castle which broke the rules in a number of ways.
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Wrong! Mr Cummings did not return to Durham on the 19th April. The police didn’t speak to him or his family about breaching lockdown regulations.
Durham police spoke with Cummings' father who confirmed he was in another part of the house.

Cummings himself said that whilst self isolating on his parents property, and to test his eyesight, he made a further 60 mile round trip. Which at that time broke lockdown rules.

I said this 36 posts ago. These are easily proven...if you watch Cummings talking about them himself and I think Gavin Williamson's update on Sunday.


So which bit is the lie again?
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Sky give a good timeline of events using, in part, his owns words and those of his wife in her article for the Spectator of which she is an editor


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ments-11993086


It seems this isn't going away quickly with even some Tory backbenchers calling for him to go. Any man with even a shred of honour and integrity would do the right thing and resign. Given his lack of any apology and the ridiculous Barnard Castle tale, I highly doubt that integrity is in his vocabulary
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He is not going to resign.

If he is fired he will be back.
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And yes, according to the DVLA, driving while you believe your vision to be impaired in any way is an offence.
Thats untrue, "You could be prosecuted if you drive without meeting the standards of vision for driving." That standard is 0.5 or 6/12 on the Snellen scale in 1 eye, yes 50% vision in 1 eye is all that is required to legally drive. As I said before you have a habit of speaking with authority whilst being totally incorrect, wear your gold badge with pride

I will provide a link as you failed to do so https://www.gov.uk/driving-eyesight-rules
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But the 1st and 3rd are not lies. It's proven, as I have said before. The 2nd is the only contentious one. So you are wrong. They are not all lies. But don't let the truth get in the way, eh?
I can't say I've followed every twist and turn of this story but re the first one, I have heard a Durham Police spokesperson on the radio confirm that they didn't speak to Dominic Cummings. And I'm not aware of anyone still saying that he made a second trip to Durham. I thought that one had been abandoned as it's easy enough to prove his whereabouts. As for any physical interaction with his parents, I've not heard anyone claim that this happened.

If you know different to this, then fair enough, but I'd be surprised if you have information that isn't publicly available.

For me, the story has gone beyond this rather silly forensic stuff about how we can prove that he did or didn't stop for a pee on the way back. We all know he made the trip -- he has not only admitted this but given far too much dull detail on it. The story is whether he should resign. Personally, I don't think so -- but there again, I'm not in favour of these media witch hunts, hounding people until they lose their livelihoods. And before I'm accused of blindly supporting Cummings, I said exactly the same thing when Stephen Kinnock and those two other Labour MPs were 'exposed' as travelling to attend social events. No harm in admonishing them but to lose their jobs over this sort of thing would be way over the top.

One difference though is that Cummings was genuinely ill. This was announced weeks ago, and there was a certain amount of "good, he deserves it" comment in The Guardian. That Scottish health advisor visiting her weekend home, and the London "Bonking Prof" (as the The Sun had it) voluntarily resigned, presumably because they didn't have much of an excuse. I find it hard to warm to Cummings normally but no one actually doubts that he was ill, and no one has called into question his claim about protestors shouting outside his house at all hours of the day and night. I've actually felt a bit of sympathy for the bloke when reading about some of the stuff he and his household have to put up with.

As far as I can see, there's a lot of Culture War Schadenfreude on display here. Cummings is usually described as the "Brexit Mastermind" and the bloke who won Boris Johnson his December landslide. He has a lot of enemies who want to punish him. So the sanctimonious outrage along the lines of "I'd never do what he did, regardless of my family" is just a little bit nauseating. There's a bigger story here.

The upshot is that the media will get their pound of flesh. He's very likely to resign IMO, and then they can switch their attention to their next target. The witch hunt must go on. I'll continue to hate this, regardless of which side of the political divide they focus on. Jeremy Corbyn was a political opponent but I thought the way he was treated was no less despicable than the current Cummings variety.
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