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Deflecting, failing to consider that there are always two sides to any arguments and resorting to insults just demonstrates your lack of intellect and not your superior intelligence.
Clearly 2 sides to every argument, I seem to have been on the winning political arguments on EF, both BREXIT & General Election, what makes you think I will be wrong this time?
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Clearly 2 sides to every argument, I seem to have been on the winning political arguments on EF, both BREXIT & General Election, what makes you think I will be wrong this time?
You forgot the ovaries.
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Clearly 2 sides to every argument, I seem to have been on the winning political arguments on EF, both BREXIT & General Election, what makes you think I will be wrong this time?
I expect just when they have Mr Cummings and the PM on the ropes they'll push it too far and the the pendulum will swing right back against them. It's already started with Emily Maitlis' shameless editorial piece on Newsnight and protesters and journalists continuing to hound Mr Cummings and his family outside their home. Brits don't like that and recent history tells us that these people are hopeless judges of a situation nor the national mood.

After Coronavirus is defeated, the economy back on the mend, Brexit delivered I wonder if anyone seriously will say in 2024 that "I can't vote Tory because Dominic Cummings took a trip to Barnard Castle in early 2020"
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Clearly 2 sides to every argument, I seem to have been on the winning political arguments on EF, both BREXIT & General Election, what makes you think I will be wrong this time?

And what makes you assume that I have not been on the winning side!

As I'm feeling generous here is a free tip for you.
"Pride goes before a fall" and if you are unsure take it to mean that if you're too conceited or self-important, something will happen to make you look foolish.
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I expect just when they have Mr Cummings and the PM on the ropes they'll push it too far and the the pendulum will swing right back against them. It's already started with Emily Maitlis' shameless editorial piece on Newsnight and protesters and journalists continuing to hound Mr Cummings and his family outside their home. Brits don't like that and recent history tells us that these people are hopeless judges of a situation nor the national mood.

After Coronavirus is defeated, the economy back on the mend, Brexit delivered I wonder if anyone seriously will say in 2024 that "I can't vote Tory because Dominic Cummings took a trip to Barnard Castle in early 2020"
Good grief you're all shades of foolish here. Maitlis has been widely and soundly praised for her eloquent speech.
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Old 27.05.2020, 12:39
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Good grief you're all shades of foolish here. Maitlis has been widely and soundly praised for her eloquent speech.
I'm sure in the media that you consume she has , however many of those that supported Mr Cummings dismissal (remember what a game changing moment it was when the Daily Mail took up the call?) have not taken so well to it. Like I say, it only needs to be taken a little too far and the mood will quickly change.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oke-rules.html
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Old 27.05.2020, 12:57
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This is why it's critical that Mr Cummings doesn't go, the only message it'll send out is that media witch hunts work and in doing so empower them in future.
Don't forget that Boris has been pretty skilled at playing the media in the past, including those parts of the media who were against him.
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As you say he is an advisor, he advised on BREXIT & he advised on the General Election, both amazingly successful, he was not asked advise on driving to Durham

He is clearly a brilliant man, he will be around for a long time no matter how hard the lefties scream
I'd say he's needed on the Brexit delivery team, as he's the key architect , if only to face the music if it goes belly up.
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I'm sure in the media that you consume she has , however many of those that supported Mr Cummings dismissal (remember what a game changing moment it was when the Daily Mail took up the call?) have not taken so well to it. Like I say, it only needs to be taken a little too far and the mood will quickly change.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oke-rules.html
And which media do you consume?

I'm in the habit of digesting a wide spread.
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You forgot the ovaries.
I don't suppose you will reply- as you never do after you drop a bomb ...

what have ovaries got to do with it? You've got some, haven't you- doesn't stop you from having a totally different POV to most of us women here, young and old ...would be hard to call you 'sister' with comment like that.

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Good grief you're all shades of foolish here. Maitlis has been widely and soundly praised for her eloquent speech.
Watched her on Newsnight last night- she was brilliant. Bridgen of Coalville is such a pathetic wet lettuce, and she didn't let him NOT answer the questions and waste time in divergence. Good on her- bravo.
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what have ovaries got to do with it? You've got some, haven't you- doesn't stop you from having a totally different POV to most os us women here, young and old ...would be hard to call you 'sister' with comment like that.
Clearly MC has a sense of humour, referring to the poster with a persecution complex amongst other issues.
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Clearly MC has a sense of humour, referring to the poster with[B]a persecution complex amongst other issues.
Careful flower. You're getting close to obsessing. It's so lovely that you and MC have found each other in these difficult times.

See what I mean Odile? RSI indeed. :Rofl:
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. As I said before you have a habit of speaking with authority whilst being totally incorrect, wear your gold badge with pride

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You clearly have a very high opinion of yourself, it's not shared by everyone.
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Yes of course I would, I often find your views unbelievably stupid.
Before you blocked me on Facebook you would of seen how I deal with all idiots, regardless of sex
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Watched her on Newsnight last night- she was brilliant. Bridgen of Coalville is such a pathetic wet lettuce, and she didn't let him NOT answer the questions and waste time in divergence. Good on her- bravo.
You made me curious about this person. Where can I listen to/read her speech?

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You made me curious about this person. Where can I listen to/read her speech?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...g5A1KFJZkIWjo1

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After Coronavirus is defeated, the economy back on the mend, Brexit delivered I wonder if anyone seriously will say in 2024 that "I can't vote Tory because Dominic Cummings took a trip to Barnard Castle in early 2020"
Is this mad dogs and englishmen talk?
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I thought they confirmed they spoke to someone at his sister's (or was it parents') household, not him personally. Regardless, I still say an apology for making a big error in judgment would be more appropriate and help with smoothing things over rather than doubling down on his rather sketchy story.
The report I heard had a spokesperson confirming they spoke to his father, but that they haven't spoken to Dominic Cummings.

I've no objection to him making an apology if he broke the rules. I'm still genuinely unclear on whether the rules were broken. If he did knowingly break them i.e. without good reason (and I suppose the police will make that decision) then absolutely, let them fine him which I believe is in their power to do.

But I repeat that he was actually ill and displaying symptoms of the virus. We know this because it was widely reported at the time, along with the news that he was quarantining his family. What wasn't made clear was that he had gone somewhere else to self-isolate and recuperate.

From what I can see, that's the issue -- is it OK to self-isolate/recover in another place if you can get there without endangering anyone else? In other words, would it be seen as an "unnecessary journey"? It's a judgement that others will have to make. We know that the daily clamour round his own residence is pretty hellish. Maybe he should have soundproofed his windows and kept the curtains shut while they were sick.

Incidentally, I've not seen any alternative explanation offered for why they made the trip. Do people think they stayed in that outhouse on their own as a sort of holiday, or what?
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Old 27.05.2020, 17:18
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The report I heard had a spokesperson confirming they spoke to his father, but that they haven't spoken to Dominic Cummings.

I've no objection to him making an apology if he broke the rules. I'm still genuinely unclear on whether the rules were broken. If he did knowingly break them i.e. without good reason (and I suppose the police will make that decision) then absolutely, let them fine him which I believe is in their power to do.

But I repeat that he was actually ill and displaying symptoms of the virus. We know this because it was widely reported at the time, along with the news that he was quarantining his family. What wasn't made clear was that he had gone somewhere else to self-isolate and recuperate.

From what I can see, that's the issue -- is it OK to self-isolate/recover in another place if you can get there without endangering anyone else? In other words, would it be seen as an "unnecessary journey"? It's a judgement that others will have to make. We know that the daily clamour round his own residence is pretty hellish. Maybe he should have soundproofed his windows and kept the curtains shut while they were sick.

Incidentally, I've not seen any alternative explanation offered for why they made the trip. Do people think they stayed in that outhouse on their own as a sort of holiday, or what?
As a senior Govt. member he should be setting a good example, not doing something questionable.
Something like "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion".
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