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This is the link to Emily Maitliss summary of the public's reaction to Cummings jolly up t'North. I do believe she was spot on:

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Good lord you lot are desperate aren't you. Would you have quite the same vim and vigour if I didn't have ovaries,
Please don't play the gender card. We may disagree on this issue, and would probably agree on many others, but I can't see what your gender has to do with it. (I always presumed you were a chap, incidentally.(

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Sigh. Police didn't speak to Cummings, they spoke to his father. As I have said i think four times now. TC is refuting that the police spoke to Cummings or any of his family. They spoke to Daddy Cumminbs.
The post I responded to had you quoting the '3 lies' which included a mention of the police not having spoken to "Mr Cummings". I interpreted that as Dominic. Maybe you meant the father. If so, I apologise.


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Is that really the best you can do? Answer the question. Would you be attempting to basically tell me to sit down and STFU if I wasn't female? I do rate myself quite highly as a human being, tbh.....
You seem to alternately trash yourself and big yourself up. Aim for somewhere in between.

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No, it shows that some people do what is honourable (or at least after some pushing) as in my opinion he screwed up majorly by flouting the rules/advice.
Whether he broke the rules is unclear to me. We know he was ill, and we know he followed the rules/advice to self-isolate. What's unclear to me is whether travelling somewhere to self-isolate in safety and in peace is classed an "unnecessary journey" or not. Which trumps the other -- the travel or the optimal conditions for recovery? Genuine question, and what this whole thing seems to revolve around.

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Friend of yours is he then? Lol so instead we should all believe what is posted somewhere on FB.
Clearly not as a general axiom, but from what I can see, the FB summary describes what Cummings himself set out in that press conference.

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Good grief you're all shades of foolish here. Maitlis has been widely and soundly praised for her eloquent speech.
She's been praised in the usual quarters and disparaged in the usual quarters. I doubt if this observation will come as an earthquake to someone (like me too) with a catholic taste in news consumption.

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Precisely nothing.
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Pachyderm : ''Please don't play the gender card. We may disagree on this issue, and would probably agree on many others, but I can't see what your gender has to do with it.''

of course, Rufus would be the first one to agree. And it is not her who brought the 'ovaries' into the conversation, but a Mod, MC. And several of us do object, for exactly the reasons you have given. Gender, race, ethnicity, religion - should not be part of this dicussion, or EF in general. It is actually quite clear from rules and netiquette, and makes total sense.
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As a senior Govt. member he should be setting a good example, not doing something questionable.
Something like "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion".
But that's what I'm asking -- was he breaking the rules or not? I'm uncomfortable with the principle being advanced that even if he didn't break the rules he should be treated as if he had.

If he did break the rules, by all means punish him -- there are fines that can be imposed. But should someone lose their job in these circumstances, when they're ill, and acting in good faith? TBH, I'm very uncomfortable with that view. Trying to be objective, that doesn't feel right to me.

So where do we draw the line? I do accept that if he had gone to a party while knowingly ill, that would be pretty unforgivable, You could make a much stronger case for dismissal then, and I'd probably accept it.
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Please don't play the gender card. We may disagree on this issue, and would probably agree on many others, but I can't see what your gender has to do with it. (I always presumed you were a chap, incidentally.(


The post I responded to had you quoting the '3 lies' which included a mention of the police not having spoken to "Mr Cummings". I interpreted that as Dominic. Maybe you meant the father. If so, I apologise.



You seem to alternately trash yourself and big yourself up. Aim for somewhere in between.



Whether he broke the rules is unclear to me. We know he was ill, and we know he followed the rules/advice to self-isolate. What's unclear to me is whether travelling somewhere to self-isolate in safety and in peace is classed an "unnecessary journey" or not. Which trumps the other -- the travel or the optimal conditions for recovery? Genuine question, and what this whole thing seems to revolve around.


Clearly not as a general axiom, but from what I can see, the FB summary describes what Cummings himself set out in that press conference.

I wouldn't have to if everyone was mindful of their use of historically oppressive language.
I several times said Dominic Cummings' father. No need to apologies but thanks.
Where do I either of those things? What I do is stand up for myself and my opinions. You may not see it that way but that is your perogative. See my first point.
Yes, under the consensus understanding he broke lockdown. He broke with the spirit of it.
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Pachyderm : ''Please don't play the gender card. We may disagree on this issue, and would probably agree on many others, but I can't see what your gender has to do with it.''

of course, Rufus would be the first one to agree. And it is not her who brought the 'ovaries' into the conversation, but a Mod, MC...
Unless someone has been mucking about with the quoting, the ovaries, M'Lud, were first introduced by:
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Unless someone has been mucking about with the quoting, the ovaries, M'Lud, were first introduced by:
It was indeed.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1590595187520

Interesting paper linked about language use for folk who might be interested. Is irrelevant to BoJo so content warning.

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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Can we please stop that discussion/those comments on race/gender/whatever?

Anyone watching the liaison committee on BBC One?
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Can we please stop that discussion/those comments on race/gender/whatever?

Anyone watching the liaison committee on BBC One?
Yep. It's an utter shower of shite.
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Good grief you're all shades of foolish here. Maitlis has been widely and soundly praised for her eloquent speech.
The BBC have today apologised for breaching impartiality regulations regarding Emily Maitlis' monologue. Like I said, the Media have overplayed their hand.
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Hilarious, considering they have never apologised about the massively biased reporting by Laura Kuensberg!
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But that's what I'm asking -- was he breaking the rules or not? I'm uncomfortable with the principle being advanced that even if he didn't break the rules he should be treated as if he had.

If he did break the rules, by all means punish him -- there are fines that can be imposed. But should someone lose their job in these circumstances, when they're ill, and acting in good faith? TBH, I'm very uncomfortable with that view. Trying to be objective, that doesn't feel right to me.

So where do we draw the line? I do accept that if he had gone to a party while knowingly ill, that would be pretty unforgivable, You could make a much stronger case for dismissal then, and I'd probably accept it.
He is a senior member of the Govt., like Ceaser's wife he should be "above suspicion" so we should not be splitting hairs about "did he break the rules" or "it is only a small fine".
The perception by most of the UK population is Cummings did something that they were not allowed to do by the very Govt. he represents.
At one-time politicians were honourable and resigned ahead of any breath of scandal; those days have been trumped (intentional pun).
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Pachyderm : ''Please don't play the gender card. We may disagree on this issue, and would probably agree on many others, but I can't see what your gender has to do with it.''

of course, Rufus would be the first one to agree. And it is not her who brought the 'ovaries' into the conversation, but a Mod, MC. And several of us do object, for exactly the reasons you have given. Gender, race, ethnicity, religion, nationality, colour of passport - should not be part of this dicussion, or EF in general. It is actually quite clear from rules and netiquette, and makes total sense.
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Amen to that, sister.

Not every freaking opinion we care to share here has anything to do with any of that. Oh, how I miss DB. (rolling eyes)

Btw, I didn't get the joke with ovaries and I think the moment has passed me by. Ovaries are great, take great care of them.




Maybe it's good to get back to the topic. Anyone here still believes in BJ?

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Maybe it's good to get back to the topic. Anyone here still believes in BJ?
I'm sure I could name at least 4 who do and as with trump will continue to do so whatever shite he gets up to.
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Hilarious, considering they have never apologised about the massively biased reporting by Laura Kuensberg!
BBC is not impartial for a very long time. IMO of course.

I don't have a problem with that tbh, but I think they should rename themselves. They confuse people.
BBC meant tradition and fair play. What is now IMHO, is neither that nor the other one.

IMO and I can stand up myself for that.

If I have to draw a parallel of some sort, it's the same with EuroNews. EuroNews is not a EU channel. It's a private business that uses a brand/name that was brought on the market by other company/institution.
Why on earth they allowed their name to still be used after everything was sold is beyond me. I guess money talks.
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Maybe it's good to get back to the topic. Anyone here still believes in BJ?
Not really, he's sacrificed thousands of lives to protect the NHS and made a complete mess of steering the country through the Coronavirus pandemic. He's seems to be following in the steps of Tony Blair by wanting to make government bigger.

Mr Johnson is still preferable to Jeremy Corbyn though, and Kier Starmer. Who would have been as bad during this pandemic, if not worse, as they also worship at the church of the NHS. Mr Starmer would also try and thwart Brexit.
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BBC is not impartial for a very long time. IMO of course.

I don't have a problem with that tbh, but I think they should rename themselves. They confuse people.
BBC meant tradition and fair play. What is now IMHO, is neither that nor the other one.
The Beeb is a public service broadcaster which tends to attract those with a more socialist bent. The pay is not exactly great so those that want the top dollars work for ITV, Sky et al. Secondly it requires super human levels of impartiality to not be critical of this government, everything from the debacle of proroguing parliament to the cack-handed handling of COVID-19 has shown the Tories up as being unfit for office. That Labour has been equally unfit is beside the point, its the sad state of our politics and I would expect the BBC to reflect that without fear or favour.

By all means have another talking head give the government perspective but Maitlis had a right to state the blindingly obvious, otherwise it looks like a Banana Republic state broadcaster that plays military marching music whilst rioters burn the city down.
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Mr Starmer would also try and thwart Brexit.

UK have now left the EU and Mr Starmer last week confirmed that the Brexit issue is over and he was not about to make a case for rejoining. He said (and I wholeheartedly agree) "the only argument now is what sort of a deal we have with the EU and what sort of deals we have with the rest of the world."


The only question now is whether BoJo and his visually challenged mate are capable of getting the best deals possible and working in the best interest of the UK. My personal view is they are not.
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BoJo needs to stop this daily briefing, or at least participating himself.

Yesterday some idiot was still suggesting people were confused over the guidelines.
People who want to be confused, are confused.

The UK Govt should be concentrating on getting the 8.5 million people on furlough back to work, not being target practice for libtard journalists who waste time asking inane questions.
Looks like maybe 20% will end up unemployed. That's a disaster.

When Kirsty and Phil turn negative, middle england have other things to worry about.
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Not really, he's sacrificed thousands of lives to protect the NHS and made a complete mess of steering the country through the Coronavirus pandemic. He's seems to be following in the steps of Tony Blair by wanting to make government bigger.

Mr Johnson is still preferable to Jeremy Corbyn though, and Kier Starmer. Who would have been as bad during this pandemic, if not worse, as they also worship at the church of the NHS. Mr Starmer would also try and thwart Brexit.
To be honest, the hindsight proverb applies. I think his intentions were there, but. It was bigger problem (still is) than anything before, whilst Brexit was a hot potato, whils he got sick too, whilst the opposition and opportunists aren't making it any easier.

The fact that a couple of people sitting on their couches safely here think that he could have done a better job, me inclduded - I think he could have. But all governments could have, every one of them.

I know that the Czech Sec of Health care is facing similar criticism, since our Prime Minister gave him the green light to run the show and we only have 300 deaths. He is still held accountable for the hault of the economy - so every gov is being scrutinized one way or another. They saved a lot of lives but how the country will face the economic downfall and 2-3...waves of the infection, who knows.

I agree with what has been said on our Swiss national TV last night. We have to face forward and make the past crisis and sacrifice count: what makes crisis bearable is the fact that people come out of them stronger. Our duty now is to focus on what we have learned and make it count. They criticised the Swiss gov of course too last night for its slow reaction and for the fact that while we are focusing on protecting the older generation, we are forgetting the young ones who risk now being locked in this fear mindset...not having life. They cited traditional values, discretion, pragmatism, integrity, solidarity with both the older citizens and the younger ones. They need to feel like the country is protecting them as well, I think speeding up the deconfinement measures is great for them (us too).

It is pretty empowering to focus on turning the page, into something better. So the trauma of CV and shock of it have a chance to get metabolized into making the country and people better and stronger. That is the potential of any crisis.

I would question whether BJ has the right support for this, before questioning his intentions. I think he does have the intentions. I cannot predict what will come out of it, my friends there in the UK despair but not necessarily because of him...they are bored of media saying it is all his fault, tbh. If there is a good point in all this mess, it is the fact that people stop seeing media as unbiased. The commercials are also telling, every single business is now heavily marketing some kind of CV themed slogan and broadcasting their employees on their couches for authenticity. I am glad it is toned down here in CH.

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People who want to be confused, are confused.
This is so true. French BMF TV has pointed out the overbearing push in media to infantilize...the "Let me break it out for you, confused media consumer" attitude which is starting to enrage people. What people need to understand (and do understand) in general is not really that complicated. And it mostly comes in pictograms.

Media is cashing in on feeding the panic. CNN counting deaths live on their screens constantly...like, thanks for that. There "turning the page" comes with a large dose of panic and actually keeping the media consumer hooked on more news, more fear.
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