Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #341  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:08
TonyClifton's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Hopefully soon to be Aargau
Posts: 1,325
Groaned at 495 Times in 287 Posts
Thanked 3,276 Times in 1,418 Posts
TonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond reputeTonyClifton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
There is a fixed penalty for this offence £60 reduced to £30 if paid within 2 weeks, it's not something for a court of law
The police themselves have said they wouldn’t have fined him and just sent him home if they were to stop Mr Cummings in this hypothetical situation. This has been a non story from the get go and it infuriates me that the media tried to get someone fired over a pack of lies
Reply With Quote
  #342  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:09
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,560
Groaned at 472 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 19,360 Times in 10,222 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
There is a social media storm against Maitlis.
BBC 'receives EIGHTEEN THOUSAND complaints' over Emily Maitlis' 'impartial' rant about Dominic Cummings

I wonder how many questions there'll be in the daily briefing about this?
EIGHTEEN THOUSAND complaints?
Ah that well known impartial source the Daily Mail - meanwhile today, media regulator Ofcom said it had received 247 complaints about Maitlis's opening remarks.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #343  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:12
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

And how many letter of complaints in support of Maitliss? I believe it is a lot more.

900.000 have signed a petition asking for Cummings to be sacked- in a very short time.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #344  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:22
MusicChick's Avatar
modified, reprogrammed and doctored²
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,231
Groaned at 392 Times in 269 Posts
Thanked 19,901 Times in 10,369 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
Since when were facts better than opinion as news material ?

Opinion costs nothing to print or broadcast, facts used to have to come from reliable sources and/or be checked out. That seems to have gone out the window long ago.

Maitlis is the problem?? Nice diversion tactic.
The problem is BoJo and Cummings.
Coronavirus is the problem. And people who need to seek somebody to blame, at any cost. It is like shooting into the last bit of defence that the country has left. It is naieve to think that the CV situation would have been much different under a different leadership.

Quote:
View Post
Until they go, the UK is going to keep on digging a bigger and bigger hole.
Now that is opinion -why not present it on the BBC?
Because opinions is not what the tax payers want to hear on impartial media. They want quality and impartial information so they themselves could make an opinion.

Unless BBC just a priori does not trust their followers and tax payers for being able to form their own opinions and infantilizes them with emotionalism and populism and tricks them with poitical campaign dressed as impartial data. It is easy to sell emotionalism in the times of a major health threat.
__________________
"L'homme ne peut pas remplacer son coeur avec sa tete, ni sa tete avec ses mains." J.H. Pestalozzi

“The only difference between a rut and a grave is a matter of depth.” S.P. Cadman

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." A. Einstein
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
  #345  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:34
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: BaselStadt
Posts: 482
Groaned at 91 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 974 Times in 393 Posts
CodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

The briefing is funny tonight.
Again, Peston and Kuensberg not letting it go, but shrugged off by Boris with ease. It's embarrassing to listen to them to be honest.


Furthermore, Boris announces all 5 tests now met, and lockdown ends on Monday!
That's what people are interested in, real life, not some voices in the dark.


So that's the DC story buried, and a gravestone added to boot.
Reply With Quote
  #346  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:40
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: BaselStadt
Posts: 482
Groaned at 91 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 974 Times in 393 Posts
CodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
media regulator Ofcom said it had received 247 complaints about Maitlis's opening remarks.

Well 247 is quite a lot, as it's not just twitter, you have to go to a little effort.
Reply With Quote
  #347  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:46
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 4,842
Groaned at 243 Times in 177 Posts
Thanked 6,565 Times in 3,096 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

This has never been about breaking laws, although that appears to be the case now. It’s been about ignoring government policy, that apparently Mr. Cummings was involved in setting.

People are being told they cannot attend funerals, cannot visit their loved ones, cannot visit their grandchildren and have to isolate.

Except this wanker, the rules don’t apply to him.

No apology, no admission that he acted contrary to policy. Just that the rules for common people, can’t possibly apply to him. I can almost hear him saying “f you”!
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank bowlie for this useful post:
  #348  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:46
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: BaselStadt
Posts: 482
Groaned at 91 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 974 Times in 393 Posts
CodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond reputeCodPeace has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
.
The problem is BoJo and Cummings.
Some people would probably argue your opinion.

BoJo won a landslide victory. He is the elected leader of the UK. It's unequivolcal. There is no question. It's written in stone. He is POPULAR!

Again, vocal minority vs silent majority.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank CodPeace for this useful post:
  #349  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:50
MusicChick's Avatar
modified, reprogrammed and doctored²
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,231
Groaned at 392 Times in 269 Posts
Thanked 19,901 Times in 10,369 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
Some people would probably argue your opinion.

BoJo won a landslide victory. He is the elected leader of the UK. It's unequivolcal. There is no question. It's written in stone. He is POPULAR!

Again, vocal minority vs silent majority.
I think majority doesn't need to make noise to be heard.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
  #350  
Old 28.05.2020, 18:53
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
Reporting is one thing, being judge & jury is something else.
Are you talking about Laura K here?
Reply With Quote
  #351  
Old 28.05.2020, 19:13
fatmanfilms's Avatar
The Marmite Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 20,934
Groaned at 447 Times in 341 Posts
Thanked 22,137 Times in 11,486 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
Are you talking about Laura K here?
No
Reply With Quote
  #352  
Old 28.05.2020, 19:25
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
The briefing is funny tonight.
Again, Peston and Kuensberg not letting it go, but shrugged off by Boris with ease. It's embarrassing to listen to them to be honest.


Furthermore, Boris announces all 5 tests now met, and lockdown ends on Monday!
That's what people are interested in, real life, not some voices in the dark.


So that's the DC story buried, and a gravestone added to boot.

Do I have that little faith in the illustrious PM and cynical enough to believe that BoJo would be announcing lockdown end even if tests weren't met just to bury the DC story. Yep you bet I do
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #353  
Old 28.05.2020, 20:06
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
No
ah, thought so. So one rule for some and not for others. Initially LK was totally supportive of Cummings little big voyages - but now she realises that the country at large is massively angry, and won't let it go- she has turned coat.
Reply With Quote
  #354  
Old 28.05.2020, 20:08
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
Well 247 is quite a lot, as it's not just twitter, you have to go to a little effort.
I do not have the figures, but from what I see on social media- it seems 1000s wrote to their MP to complain about Cummings. That took just as much effort- and over 900000 have signed a petition.

From the Spectator today.

''Danny Kruger, formerly Johnson’s political secretary and now the MP for Devizes, has – perhaps inadvertently – done the country some small service. In a note sent to newly-elected Tory MPs, Mr Kruger has reportedly advised his colleagues that ‘calling for Dominic Cummings to go is basically declaring no confidence in [the] prime minister.’ Well, yes, indeed. That is the point. Because, in the end, this is not a story about Dominic Cummings but, rather, one about the Prime Minister''
Reply With Quote
  #355  
Old 28.05.2020, 20:24
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,560
Groaned at 472 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 19,360 Times in 10,222 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
Some people would probably argue your opinion.

BoJo won a landslide victory. He is the elected leader of the UK. It's unequivolcal. There is no question. It's written in stone. He is POPULAR!

Again, vocal minority vs silent majority.
I could not have written this better myself!
Less than 30% of UK eligible voters voted for Bojo and his party; vocal minority indeed.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank marton for this useful post:
  #356  
Old 28.05.2020, 20:28
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
A scientific study worth that term would have considered the positive language as well, and not just on females but males, too. Given that only derogative language against women is looked for, which obviously exists, there can only be one conclusion.

Your link is propaganda with the only intention to confirm the feminist authors' own prejudices and biases. In a fundamental sense it's sexist itself.
I disagree because that is not the scope or focus of the paper but your opinion is fair enough. The issue is that the positive language is often based solely on traditional stereotypes which can actually be as harmful.in the long term. That's the point.

It's not just this author. There's an increasingly wide range of research into the impact of language usage aimed at both genders. It's also taken into the area of forensic psychology and the language used at and about victims of trauma.

Not propaganda. That is a dismissive term for a legitimate paper.


There is a corresponding male centric one about the language used to and about men and stereotypical masculinity that is often toxic /harmful to developing mental health It's equally as fascinating.

You might not like it but there's plenty of reading matter out there.

Anyway, this is wildly OT. I'm sure I'll be deleted at some point! Seems to be the new thing.
Reply With Quote
  #357  
Old 28.05.2020, 20:33
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,560
Groaned at 472 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 19,360 Times in 10,222 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
Well 247 is quite a lot, as it's not just twitter, you have to go to a little effort.
Not really effort, just visit the Ofcom website and then a few clicks.
Unlike Twitter, you do not have to go through a membership process first.
Reply With Quote
  #358  
Old 28.05.2020, 20:35
marton's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 10,560
Groaned at 472 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 19,360 Times in 10,222 Posts
marton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond reputemarton has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
The police themselves have said they wouldn’t have fined him and just sent him home if they were to stop Mr Cummings in this hypothetical situation. This has been a non story from the get go and it infuriates me that the media tried to get someone fired over a pack of lies
It was never about the law, it is about a senior Government person ignoring and flouting guidelines that the common people have to take seriously.
Reply With Quote
  #359  
Old 28.05.2020, 20:37
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

which he was instrumental in making
Reply With Quote
  #360  
Old 28.05.2020, 20:39
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Quote:
View Post
There is a social media storm against Maitlis.
BBC 'receives EIGHTEEN THOUSAND complaints' over Emily Maitlis' 'impartial' rant about Dominic Cummings

I wonder how many questions there'll be in the daily briefing about this?

Haha did you actually bother to read beyond the click bait headline! That number comes not from OFCOM or the BBC but from a claim on the "Guido Fawkes blog". Who you might ask? Precisely. And the moral of the story is that if you want to use that gold standard of research called google, do at least read in full prior to copy and pasting links
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Perhaps I misjudged Boris Johnson Castro General off-topic 12 10.09.2018 22:25
Boris Johnson for British Prime Minister Castro International affairs/politics 17 18.11.2009 14:47
Colonel Boris' Surly Thread. Colonelboris General off-topic 20 11.06.2009 13:19
Know anyone at Johnson and Johnson? nmcotton Employment 8 16.04.2008 19:46


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 02:46.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0