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petition to sack Cummings at 950000 and going ...

will not post link here- but if you agree he should be- do Google it and sign and share. 1 million by midnight.
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Old 28.05.2020, 22:12
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It was never about the law, it is about a senior Government person ignoring and flouting guidelines that the common people have to take seriously.

Reminds me of communism
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If you want an opposing view look at Laura Keunssberg on Twitter and see the responses to her tweet. People aren’t exactly supporting her.
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Old 28.05.2020, 23:23
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61 Tory MPs are openly defying Johnson and stating that Cummings must go. Plenty more I am sure, but they have not 'come out' yet.
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Old 29.05.2020, 01:21
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I know, I just think these discussions about feminism should belong to another thread.

I am well aware not everyone supports feminism or is interested in feminism, don't see why being a woman has anything to do with some topics here.
I fully agree. That said, doesn't that "other thread" apply to your post as well?
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Some people would probably argue your opinion.

BoJo won a landslide victory. He is the elected leader of the UK. It's unequivolcal. There is no question. It's written in stone. He is POPULAR!

Again, vocal minority vs silent majority.
I hope my opinion is contentious.

It hurts (I have friends and family in the UK) to see Britain self destruct.

As for people voting Tory. It's been going on for years; must be due to some viral infection, nothing else can explain it. Probably Porton Down has been releasing virulent strains at regular intervals

The more Bojo s up, the more some people lap it up. Incompetence has become a virtue.
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Old 29.05.2020, 09:39
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I hope my opinion is contentious.

It hurts (I have friends and family in the UK) to see Britain self destruct.

As for people voting Tory. It's been going on for years; must be due to some viral infection, nothing else can explain it. Probably Porton Down has been releasing virulent strains at regular intervals

The more Bojo s up, the more some people lap it up. Incompetence has become a virtue.
So you think these infected people would vote Labour if they were well? In your dreams sunshine.
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I hope my opinion is contentious.

It hurts (I have friends and family in the UK) to see Britain self destruct.

As for people voting Tory. It's been going on for years; must be due to some viral infection, nothing else can explain it. Probably Porton Down has been releasing virulent strains at regular intervals

The more Bojo s up, the more some people lap it up. Incompetence has become a virtue.

Yes, I agree that it does hurt and, if it were not having immediate family there I would have no desire to set foot in UK ever again. This from a lifelong Tory supporter who now cannot recognise it is the same party my father proudly supported up until his death.
The glory days of the London Olympics when the nation as a whole were united, proud to be British and admired by the World for the success of those Olympics seem in the long distant past
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The petition to remain in the EU hit 6 million plus, and look how well that worked out! That's not how we work in a democracy. I'm still watching
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Old 29.05.2020, 11:19
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This has never been about breaking laws, although that appears to be the case now. It’s been about ignoring government policy, that apparently Mr. Cummings was involved in setting.

People are being told they cannot attend funerals, cannot visit their loved ones, cannot visit their grandchildren and have to isolate.

Except this wanker, the rules don’t apply to him.

No apology, no admission that he acted contrary to policy. Just that the rules for common people, can’t possibly apply to him. I can almost hear him saying “f you”!
That's the problem imho.

People are entitled to their anger. He could have just admitted he was wrong and maybe even apologised or justified his actions.....but no.

You reap what you sow.

Maybe that reporter's tone was too....accusatory, but she was in the right, not him.

When you're in a hole you stop digging....that's common sense.

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Old 29.05.2020, 12:48
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Has there been a flouncing?


Ah, I see now.

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Old 29.05.2020, 13:25
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I think majority doesn't need to make noise to be heard.
That is the thinking that gave Corbyn free hand to ruin the Labour party for so long.

Sometimes the majority do need to make noise.

Otherwise you can't separate silent disapproval from indifference.
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Old 29.05.2020, 13:37
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Otherwise you can't separate silent disapproval from indifference.
True, I think your notion is really valid for US and UK where one needs to make noise no matter what, majority or minority.

But that idea sounds very presumptious for other places I know and here, where I live. The only noise people make here is approval/disapproval through voting and petitions. Those voices become respected stats. Maybe this respectful system can inspire the kingdoms of perpetual noise...maybe I am naieve.

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Old 29.05.2020, 13:40
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That's the problem imho.

People are entitled to their anger. He could have just admitted he was wrong and maybe even apologised or justified his actions.....but no.
ok. he apologised now:

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ok. he apologised now:


Pros for Cummings:
- regained credibility
- regained hair


Cons:
- a pony tail
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Old 29.05.2020, 14:43
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True, I think your notion is really valid for US and UK where one needs to make noise no matter what, majority or minority.

But it sounds very presumptious for other places I know and here, where I live. The only noise people make there is approval/disapproval through voting and petitions. Those voices become respected stats. Maybe this respectful system can inspire the kingdoms of perpetual noise...maybe I am naieve.
I think in many countries there is a certain inhibition to being too loud when you know you are the majority. There is something fascistic about being in the majority, being in power, and still having to bang your drum about it. That sort of behaviour makes people suspicious and is thus often counter productive to the cause.
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I think in many countries there is a certain inhibition to being too loud when you know you are the majority. There is something fascistic about being in the majority, being in power, and still having to bang your drum about it. That sort of behaviour makes people suspicious and is thus often counter productive to the cause.
So why is BJ doing some kind of daily briefings then?
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Old 30.05.2020, 04:39
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So why is BJ doing some kind of daily briefings then?
The part-time PM has been a little more visible than usual this week because Parliament's on recess. He's taking every chance he can to brag about his "world beating app" that is entirely dependent upon people...
1. recognising that they have possible covid symptoms
2. phoning 116 to order a covid home test or test appointment
3. phoning the track and trace team to give the names and contact details of everyone they've spent 15+mins within 2m of over the last 14 days.
4. The team then call or text these people to advise that they need to self-isolate for 14 days.

I can't for the life of me figure out why an app is required or what it's supposed to be useful for when these are the instructions given by the PM and his ministers. If it is doesn't 'ping' and automatically inform users that they've been within the given proximity of a positive covid case, then it's about as much use as a Chris Grayling ferry. I had more functionality on my Tesco Clubcard app.
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True, I think your notion is really valid for US and UK where one needs to make noise no matter what, majority or minority.

But that idea sounds very presumptious for other places I know and here, where I live. The only noise people make here is approval/disapproval through voting and petitions. Those voices become respected stats. Maybe this respectful system can inspire the kingdoms of perpetual noise...maybe I am naieve.
I would judge a system by its results not noise or lack thereof. If lack of noise and discretion means preserving status quo in whatever people need to change...then, I don't know it's the classic form without substance thinggy.

We need to adopt and adjust or preserve models that work for each society.

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ok. he apologised now:
Yes, thanks.
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Old 30.05.2020, 11:08
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I think in many countries there is a certain inhibition to being too loud when you know you are the majority. There is something fascistic about being in the majority, being in power, and still having to bang your drum about it. That sort of behaviour makes people suspicious and is thus often counter productive to the cause.
Majorities are fragile things

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Ruling Conservative Party's 15-point lead over opposition Labour Party has been cut to just 6 points in less than a week.

A voting intention survey by pollster YouGov for the Times newspaper found that the controversy engulfing Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s aide Dominic Cummings, and Johnson’s refusal to fire him, has taken a serious toll on the government’s popularity.

Support for the Conservatives dropped by 4 points to 44% in less than a week, and the main opposition Labour Party increased to 38%.
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