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The petition to remain in the EU hit 6 million plus, and look how well that worked out! That's not how we work in a democracy. I'm still watching
These online petitions make me laugh. I notice that no one ever describes these 6 million clicks as representing 6 million individual British voters. And for very good reason.

Apart from the petition being widely publicised across the world (with a clickable link being handily provided in many online reports), ask any UK voter who did actually ''sign', how many times they did so. All you needed was an email address to add your name to the petition. How many people don't have multiple email addresses? I have at least 6 or 7 myself, and if I felt as strongly about this issue as many did, I'm damn sure I'd have used them all.

We can never be sure about how much the online petitions are abused, but we can be sure about regulated, legitimate public votes like the EU referendum of 2016, the Euro parliamentary elections of May 2019, and the December general election in the UK which were decisively won by the pro-Brexit side.
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Old 30.05.2020, 12:42
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These online petitions make me laugh. I notice that no one ever describes these 6 million clicks as representing 6 million individual British voters. And for very good reason.

Apart from the petition being widely publicised across the world (with a clickable link being handily provided in many online reports), ask any UK voter who did actually ''sign', how many times they did so. All you needed was an email address to add your name to the petition. How many people don't have multiple email addresses? I have at least 6 or 7 myself, and if I felt as strongly about this issue as many did, I'm damn sure I'd have used them all.

We can never be sure about how much the online petitions are abused, but we can be sure about regulated, legitimate public votes like the EU referendum of 2016, the Euro parliamentary elections of May 2019, and the December general election in the UK which were decisively won by the pro-Brexit side.
Which is why in Switzerland referendum initiative signatures are verified and cross-checked, which is why the initiators always try to collect more than the legal minimum number as there are always bound to be some signatories who cannot be verified.
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Dominic Cummings's statement: a guided tour | FT

This clip is 25 minutes long, but it provides an analysis of the document read out by Mr. Cummings explaining his sins. Although it is long I do recommend that everyone have a look.



You don't have to be smart, you just have to have good lawyers ...
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Well seeing as Cummings didn't get his comeuppance this week, I might as well flaunt the t-shirt
ready for his next tour.

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81% of Brits believe Cummings broke the rules (OK, basically confirmed by Durham police) and 68% think he should resign. Only 29% believe the media has been unfair to Cummings.

Oh and Johnson now has a 5% disapproval rating.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ings-should-go

Separately, 26 top UK health scientists have written an open letter stating Cummings actions have broken Covid-19 policy trust.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...top-scientists
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Which is why in Switzerland referendum initiative signatures are verified and cross-checked, which is why the initiators always try to collect more than the legal minimum number as there are always bound to be some signatories who cannot be verified.
It would be trivial for their opponents to make them fail if they didn't by mass-signing with fake data. Come to think of it, I'm a bit surprised this appears to be no problem, perhaps a benefit from handing in the forms continuously so the checking personnel isn't overwhelmed and the result available soon.
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Curious but who would be eligible to sign this petition? A British Citizen, a British Citizen with the right to live in the UK, A British taxpayer, A British resident, Someone on the Voting Register? Some of the above, All of the above, none of the above?

It doesn’t actually say.
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Old 31.05.2020, 19:12
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Curious but who would be eligible to sign this petition? A British Citizen, a British Citizen with the right to live in the UK, A British taxpayer, A British resident, Someone on the Voting Register? Some of the above, All of the above, none of the above?

It doesn’t actually say.
For change.org, only a unique email address is needed. It means that over a million real people, trolls and bots all over the world have voted by now.
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Old 31.05.2020, 19:26
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For change.org, only a unique email address is needed. It means that over a million real people, trolls and bots all over the world have voted by now.
The fabled 6 million petition, if I remember rightly, asked you to check a box to confirm that you were a UK voter, and that you had not voted more than once -- thereby conveniently informing users that it was possible to vote more than once.

An old friend of mine, a teacher in the UK, and a confirmed Remainer, told me that his trade union had sent him several emails with a handy direct link to the petition, to let him know that "if they opposed Boris Johnson's approach to Brexit" they might want to consider joining the petition, and encouraging them to circulate it to as many people as possible.
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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

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An old friend of mine, a teacher in the UK, and a confirmed Remainer, told me that his trade union had sent him several emails with a handy direct link to the petition, to let him know that "if they opposed Boris Johnson's approach to Brexit" they might want to consider joining the petition, and encouraging them to circulate it to as many people as possible.
??? I don’t see anything wrong with this. Perhaps they should have mentioned they could only vote once, but the change.org site already said that.
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1. There is an independent witness stating he saw Cummings on the 19th. He stands by his story and Cummings has failed to prove otherwise.
2. The 1st statement by Durham Police said they did talk about lockdown guidelines. They changed their story yesterday. I wonder why...

So no press lies there..as Rufus says the jury is out on family members.

Cummings otoh has lied repeatedly and provably. Particularly about Barnard Castle which broke the rules in a number of ways.
Made yourself look like a right tit there, eh?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/31/man-w...made-12782423/
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Made yourself look like a right tit there, eh?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/31/man-w...made-12782423/
No, that is your speciality. #
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Made yourself look like a right tit there, eh?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/31/man-w...made-12782423/
Now kindly explain how that makes it a press lie. As that was your claim and the point I was answering.
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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

Explaining Boris:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...johnson-brexit

Can one imagine this kind of article about a current Swiss politician?
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Explaining Boris:

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...johnson-brexit

Can one imagine this kind of article about a current Swiss politician?
Can one imagine a Swiss politician acting as Boris does.
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It would be trivial for their opponents to make them fail if they didn't by mass-signing with fake data. Come to think of it, I'm a bit surprised this appears to be no problem, perhaps a benefit from handing in the forms continuously so the checking personnel isn't overwhelmed and the result available soon.
I think its about civility.

In a place like the UK I'm sure people would be doing waht you describe and thus making the system unworkable, only to scream blue murder if one day the tables were turned and it would be their initiative being sabotaged.
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Curious but who would be eligible to sign this petition? A British Citizen, a British Citizen with the right to live in the UK, A British taxpayer, A British resident, Someone on the Voting Register? Some of the above, All of the above, none of the above?

It doesn’t actually say.
It doesn't actually matter because a petition is not legally binding but just a way to voice an opinion. Same as going to a demonstration or writing a letter to the newspaper.

Of course many petition platforms are also about harvesting data and then spamming you with rantings about other petitions you could be signing. Campact, wemove, aavaz, 38 degrees and so on. Once you're on their radar it is very difficult to unsusbcribe.
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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

What happened here?

Putin not interested in his henchmen anymore?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...i-summit-china

Awww, so sad for poor Boris. His feelings must be terribly hurt.
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It doesn't actually matter because a petition is not legally binding but just a way to voice an opinion. Same as going to a demonstration or writing a letter to the newspaper.

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I do believe that in UK a referendum is also not legally binding unless Parliament specifically make it so
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Old 04.06.2020, 08:23
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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

I like Sir Keir Starmer... Boris has no defence against someone as smart as him. Compared to the incompetent messiah-complex Jeremy Corbyn he is an apex political predator and his legal experience will no doubt cause Boris a ton of distress in every session. Seems relatively non-corrupt too from the Googling I have done so far.
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