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Old 25.05.2020, 19:22
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He and his wife then spoke and "agreed we should go for a short drive" to see if he could manage it. Cummings says the pair "ended up on the outskirts of Barnard Castle" but denies they "walked around the town". However, when he "felt a bit sick", they walked "10 or 15 minutes" from the car and sat down.
His wife said "happy Easter" to someone.
And all that to apparently test his possibly defective eyesight and with his child in the car.

Have just read it was by a complete coincidence his wife's birthday...
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Old 25.05.2020, 19:22
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Should govt advisors be held to higher standards than the rest of the population, or should they be treated the same?
Of course they should and if it was anyone else you'd be front of the queue jumping up and down.
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I never said that or anything that could be interpreted as such. Do you hear voices?
No. But your constant harping suggests you might. I'd see someone about that.
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Are you actually listening to it? There's plenty of people that have been fined for the sort of thing he admits to. There's certainly been a few less well connected to the inner circle that have been forced to resign. And as far as believing you have coronavirus and going to your over 70 year old parents and assuming they can care for your child who is probably also infected....?

Oh and as for his excuse that driving to Barnards Castle was to "test his eyesight"....!
It's a joke.

Not to mention he apparently drove 5 hours with a 4 year old and a previously vomiting wife without stopping...

Still no apology and no remorse. What a twatbadger.
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Old 25.05.2020, 19:32
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Well after this explanation, anyone that thinks Dominic Cummings should be sacked need their head examining.
painful to watch - and his 'diary' so detailed and learnt by heart- anyone with police experience will tell you this is the best indication of lying...

however- I do believe, you will be proven wrong (and maybe you will have to do examine your head very carefully)
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Old 25.05.2020, 19:43
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IMHO This man has worked hard his entire life to get to the position he is today. The de facto boss of the Excited Kingdom.

There is no way he will resign. Not a chance. He will now lay low until the storm abates and, if Boris doesn’t sack him, he will be there for a long time to come.

But if Boris does, that will be the beginning of Boris’s end.
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Old 25.05.2020, 21:07
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most of our family are Tories, and have been forever, for generations. Phone calls yesterday clearly showed that they are appalled and disgusted- and it has brought to the surface all the other stuff I mentionned above. Not arguing with you - no time or energy for that.

Watch ...
Still watching

What an absolute DISGRACE the UK media have become. Awful blathering questions, trying to imply he should feel remorse for having use of outside space. No mention of the LIES that were front page of both the Mirror and Observer at the weekend. Well the Rubicon has been crossed now, no going back! Welcome to the world of US politics!
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Old 25.05.2020, 21:08
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What an absolute DISGRACE the UK media have become. Awful blathering questions, trying to imply he should feel remorse for having use of outside space. No mention of the LIES that were front page of both the Mirror and Observer at the weekend. Well the Rubicon has been crossed now, no going back! Welcome to the world of US politics!
So you defend that he was disregarding what is expected of any person/family in the UK? Go figure
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Old 25.05.2020, 21:14
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So you defend that he was disregarding what is expected of any person/family in the UK? Go figure
He didnít disregard anything and stayed within the law, but even if he hadnít SO WHAT!? Both he and his wife were sick with coronavirus, the first thing on their minds (which likely werenít functioning properly anyway) was how to ensure care for their 4 year old son. If one of my children required care then Iíd have done the same, itís what parents do! People have lost their minds and humanity of they think he acted inappropriately!
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Old 25.05.2020, 21:27
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He didn’t disregard anything and stayed within the law, but even if he hadn’t SO WHAT!? Both he and his wife were sick with coronavirus, the first thing on their minds (which likely weren’t functioning properly anyway) was how to ensure care for their 4 year old son. If one of my children required care then I’d have done the same, it’s what parents do! People have lost their minds and humanity of they think he acted inappropriately!
Arranging care for my child would have been the first thing on my mind too but I wouldn’t have been driving halfway across the country whilst sick with a potentially deadly virus to do so.
I would have been looking for somebody local to help me or failing that would have arranged for the sister to travel to me. Those are much more sensible options in my opinion.
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Yep, those journalists are utterly terrible.

I don't know who they think they represent. hemselves by the looks of it.

Cummings did a decent job, all things considered, same as BoJo on the briefing tonight.
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Arranging care for my child would have been the first thing on my mind too but I wouldnít have been driving halfway across the country whilst sick with a potentially deadly virus to do so.
I would have been looking for somebody local to help me or failing that would have arranged for the sister to travel to me. Those are much more sensible options in my opinion.
+1. Also, Cummings didn't even inform Johnson of what he was up to. Had he at least given a heads-up and said "Do you think this will be okay" the optics would be very different.

As it is, it leaves the appearance of rules not actually applying to the ones that set them. People are going nuts enough with lockdown stuff, this only adds to the anger and frustration.
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Arranging care for my child would have been the first thing on my mind too but I wouldnít have been driving halfway across the country whilst sick with a potentially deadly virus to do so.
I would have been looking for somebody local to help me or failing that would have arranged for the sister to travel to me. Those are much more sensible options in my opinion.

And doing a "test drive" for his eyesight with his wife and child in the car and they just happened to stop at a tourist spot on the wife's birthday and they didn't get out the car except for when he felt sick and had to walk around. Shocks me that anyone really is that gullible to believe that utter load of twaddle.
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I would have been looking for somebody local to help me
That's a good one!

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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

'I would have been looking for somebody local to help me or failing that would have arranged for the sister to travel to me. Those are much more sensible options in my opinion.'


According to some press reports yesterday, Cummings has a PA living 2 streets away from them and also a brother in law and his wife and a sister in law and her husband live a few streets away in the same part of London as well.
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'I would have been looking for somebody local to help me or failing that would have arranged for the sister to travel to me. Those are much more sensible options in my opinion.'


According to some press reports yesterday, Cummings has a PA living 2 streets away from them and also a brother in law and his wife and a sister in law and her husband live a few streets away in the same part of London as well.
Even better, no need for anyone to travel at all then.
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Old 25.05.2020, 21:55
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Anyone read the story/theory about GlaxoSmithkline - which happens to be in Barnard Castle. I am pondering it, interesting.

Multi million Government contract re Covid vaccine was signed 2 days later ...It is trending, big time.

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He didn’t disregard anything and stayed within the law, but even if he hadn’t SO WHAT!? Both he and his wife were sick with coronavirus, the first thing on their minds (which likely weren’t functioning properly anyway) was how to ensure care for their 4 year old son. If one of my children required care then I’d have done the same, it’s what parents do! People have lost their minds and humanity of they think he acted inappropriately!
No he didn't. He went against clear guidelines. His wife had symptoms, he did not. They did not seek childcare once in situ. He also, before this now infamous trip, broke the shielding guidelines after leaving work to check on his symptomatic wife and then went back into the office when the rules said the whole household should then isolate together for 14 days. But no. He went back to work presumably to fling his germs about. One rule for him, one for everyone else.

He drove, while apparently to ill to stand, to pick his family up from hospital - the extended family he travelled to be near apparently did not do this.

Before driving back to London and worried about hus eye sight he did a 30 mile "test drive" with his wife and 4 year old in the car. Just to check his eyes were ok. As you do.

Thousands of parents did not do what he did because the "loophole" didn't exist. It us one thing to look after your family utilising the resources you have availabls. It is another, entirely dispicable thing, to imply that any parent who did not behave similarly just didn't love their child enough. It is that implication, that contempt for the rules he implemented, that has caused the outcry.

If you cannot see why people are enraged, distraught and entirely disillusioned then you may need to hold that mirror up to yourself.

Maybe look on Twitter to see countless real reactions to Cummings, reactions that don't fit with your determined reinterpretation of facts.

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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

It's just so peculiar. If I were in City A, and heard that my spouse, who was caring for our small child in Town B, several hours' drive away, had taken ill, then the first thing I'd do would be to ask someone who is already in B to step in to immediately organise proper care for the child and for my spouse.

That's what'd I'd do, even without Corona or any travel restrictions. That's what I'd consider to be lovingly caring for one's child (and spouse).

And his deciding, instead, to leave them to wait - knowing that the particular kind of symptoms his wife had could potentially escalate rapidly and possibly end fatally - while he set off driving to them for several hours, seems very, very odd, indeed.

The fact that he flaunted the restrictions is, as I see it, a separate and also very serious issue, especially his travelling backwards and forwards.
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It's just so peculiar. If I were in City A, and heard that my spouse, who was caring for our small child in Town B, several hours' drive away, had taken ill, then the first thing I'd do would be to ask someone who is already in B to step in to immediately organise proper care for the child and for my spouse.

That's what'd I'd do, even without Corona or any travel restrictions. That's what I'd consider to be lovingly caring for one's child (and spouse).

And his deciding, instead, to leave them to wait - knowing that the particular kind of symptoms his wife had could potentially escalate rapidly and possibly end fatally - while he set off driving to them for several hours, seems very, very odd, indeed.

The fact that he flaunted the restrictions is, as I see it, a separate and also very serious issue, especially his travelling backwards and forwards.

Yes. This is the crux of it. That and the implication that he loves his kid more than anyone else loves theirs.
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