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The Daily Mirror and The Guardian were always going to go after him as revenge for Brexit, but the headline in the Daily Mail was truly seismic because up until now they have been pretty pro-Johnson.

If anyone understands middle England they will know that fair play is pretty much sacrosanct, nobody likes to see someone else break the rules and get away with it, especially when they've been so conscientious in following official guidance themselves.

Middle England is not my natural constituency, I'm a dodgy Londoner where ducking and diving is second nature so I do respect that about them.
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The Daily Mirror and The Guardian were always going to go after him as revenge for Brexit, but the headline in the Daily Mail was truly seismic because up until now they have been pretty pro-Johnson.

If anyone understands middle England they will know that fair play is pretty much sacrosanct, nobody likes to see someone else break the rules and get away with it, especially when they've been so conscientious in following official guidance themselves.

Middle England is not my natural constituency, I'm a dodgy Londoner where ducking and diving is second nature so I do respect that about them.

Do you mean The Midlands? Or the political middle?

It's not just "middle England " - what an odd term - it's pretty much nationwide. It's beyond the scope of political affiliation. Everyone who has sacrificed time with someone they love is pretty pissed off.
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Old 26.05.2020, 00:29
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It's not just "middle England " - what an odd term - it's pretty much nationwide. It's beyond the scope of political affiliation. Everyone who has sacrificed time with someone they love is pretty pissed off.
The dictionary definition is the middle classes that live outside of London and who hold more traditional (right wing) views about society and politics. The Daily Mail is highly representative of their world view.
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At first, I mis-read it as Middle Earth. And that made the tale odder yet, until I re-read.
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Still watching

What an absolute DISGRACE the UK media have become. Awful blathering questions, trying to imply he should feel remorse for having use of outside space. No mention of the LIES that were front page of both the Mirror and Observer at the weekend. Well the Rubicon has been crossed now, no going back! Welcome to the world of US politics!
No, what an absolute disgrace the British government has become.

As for the Rubicon, that was crossed along time a go. For example, last winter BoJo stated there would be no checks between NI and Mainland UK in direct response to a business man's question, while knowing full well that he had already agreed to it in Liverpool with the Irish PM and is only now that the British people get to hear about it. This was nothing but a blatant lie.

Over the years, Britain has evoked many emotions, but is only recently that laughter and pity have been added, pity that you are still trying to justify this kind of crap.
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only recently that laughter and pity have been added
Add to that dismay and disdain at the hypocrisy. No longer is an Englishman's (or a gentleman's) word his bond. At least, not these particular two.
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So there is a petition calling for him to resign or be sacked which, so far, over 642K people have signed. This is nothing to do with Brexit or Tory haters or even a 4 year old child. It is about the disgust of regular UK folk who followed the rules, difficult as they were and some who may have lost loved without a final goodbye, watching this pathetic excuse for a man sit there unrepentant and unapologetic while spinning a pack of lies rather than have the guts to own up to his "mistake". Yes, they are his lies not made up as a witch hunt by the media.
  • He gets a call that his wife is very sick with Covid symptom so he rushes home but then a couple of hours later returns to work to spread germs amongst his colleagues who may also have children and high risk family members
  • His wife is ill and so is he yet he drives nearly 300 miles with his 4 year old. So what would have happened if on the way his wife's condition deteriorated to the point she needed immediate hospitalisation. What would have happened if his condition worsened and he was not fit to continue the drive/caused an accident. So convenient his petrol tank was full so he didn't need to stop to fill up and contaminate a few more people
  • His wife works. Do they have a nanny in London. Apparently he has in-laws close by. Why couldn't the sister come to them in an emergency?
  • He was too ill to go to the hospital with his wife and child yet manages to drive and pick them up. Family in Durham weren't much help and driving that ill he was a danger to the occupants of the car and other motorists.
  • He admits he went for a walk in the woods when he could have still been contagious and not out of the quarantine period
  • If someone is that worried about their eyesight and their ability to drive without endangering passengers or others they don't go for a 30 mile jaunt to a beauty spot (on wife's birthday). He could have just driven around local lanes without wife and child in the car
He endangered others by potentially passing on his germs and he endangered his wife, child and other motorists by driving while not in a fit state. Not only should he be sacked but the police should launch an investigation as to whether him driving in the condition he admitted amounts to a motoring/criminal offence. Here is the petition



https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliame...must-be-sacked
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This is nothing to do with Brexit or Tory haters


It's over! The press screwed up! How many petitions have there been over Brexit?!?
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The Daily Mirror and The Guardian were always going to go after him as revenge for Brexit, but the headline in the Daily Mail was truly seismic because up until now they have been pretty pro-Johnson.

If anyone understands middle England they will know that fair play is pretty much sacrosanct, nobody likes to see someone else break the rules and get away with it, especially when they've been so conscientious in following official guidance themselves.

Middle England is not my natural constituency, I'm a dodgy Londoner where ducking and diving is second nature so I do respect that about them.
Wrong! The press have nowhere left to go as the story has completely collapsed. This is all they have left, to keep spinning the same old yarn. They've lost, not only the battle, but any sense of reason, objectivity and ethics. We've seen the same from the likes of CNN, The New York Times and Fox News. If the lie doesn't work, just keep repeating the lie. Alea iacta est.
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Re: Boris Johnson for PM?

It was Priti Patel last time the knives were out.

The only people 'outraged/confused' are the ones still raging against BoJo, Brexit etc.
This is just more of the vocal minority portraying they speak for the majority.

The majority probably won't give a sh1te and are more worried that they'll be unemployed soon, their kid's education is hit, taxes will go up, house prices are tanking (though that's a bit of good news).
Someone bailing out of London and heading for the country house is not a story. Someone taking a drive is not a story. Someone taking a walk in the woods is not a story.

Is this story peak virtue signalling?
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No, what an absolute disgrace the British government has become.
What about the Taoiseach? Should he now resign too?

https://www.irishpost.com/news/foota...-online-185573
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What about the Taoiseach? Should he now resign too?

https://www.irishpost.com/news/foota...-online-185573

No comparison. This happened last Sunday after lockdown restrictions were relaxed. Apparently groups of 4 are allowed to meet and nobody travelled more than 5km from home. The only criticism is that they were not standing 2m apart from each other.


DC, travelling nearly 300 miles in March at the very height of lockdown at a time his bosses was telling people to STAY HOME. Not only that, he and his wife supposedly had the virus. Oh, and he lied through his teeth about what really happened. Only an utter simpleton would believe that ridiculous tale of doing a 30 mile test drive because his eyes were bothering him
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1 Tory Cabinet member resigns- I think others will follow.

In the meantime, some mind boggling stuff is coming out of the woodwork. On that very same day, 14th April- Cummings sister Alice- whom he said would childcare in Durham if necessary- as she is a child care specialist...

was appointed Director of IDOX, that is in charge of the track & trace app ...bizarrer by the minute.
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The dictionary definition is the middle classes that live outside of London and who hold more traditional (right wing) views about society and politics. The Daily Mail is highly representative of their world view.

I think you'll find that, as I've said a few times before, this issue transcends both the notion of class and political leanings.

I think "middle England " is dead. The DM is less representative than it thinks. It's a rag.

You are correct in that it goes against the ingrained spirit of fair play. Cummings and Johnson badly, badly misread the little people this time.

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At first, I mis-read it as Middle Earth. And that made the tale odder yet, until I re-read.
Oh hell, glad I'm not the only one. Cummings is a bit Gollum-esque though. I wonder if that makes Johnson his precious...?
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It's over! The press screwed up! How many petitions have there been over Brexit?!?

Why do you keep coming back to the press? As Mr Dog says, what is outrageous are the words/admissions and unrepentant televised behaviour of Cummings and Johnson et al. Can you deny he did what he did and said what he said? Any press screw ups are from the right wing toadies who didn't ask any decent questions.

I really would like to know why you keep saying this and mentionning Brexit. Don't you understand that one issue has nothing to do with the other?

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Wrong! The press have nowhere left to go as the story has completely collapsed. This is all they have left, to keep spinning the same old yarn. They've lost, not only the battle, but any sense of reason, objectivity and ethics. We've seen the same from the likes of CNN, The New York Times and Fox News. If the lie doesn't work, just keep repeating the lie. Alea iacta est.
What yarn? What lie? There are the facts from the horse's mouth. Any muddied message is down to him and Johnson not managing to get their story straight.

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It was Priti Patel last time the knives were out.

The only people 'outraged/confused' are the ones still raging against BoJo, Brexit etc.
This is just more of the vocal minority portraying they speak for the majority.

The majority probably won't give a sh1te and are more worried that they'll be unemployed soon, their kid's education is hit, taxes will go up, house prices are tanking (though that's a bit of good news).
Someone bailing out of London and heading for the country house is not a story. Someone taking a drive is not a story. Someone taking a walk in the woods is not a story.

Is this story peak virtue signalling?

You couldn't be further from reality. And you clearly don't understand what has happened.

Priti Patel was sacked and then reinstated. She's arguably an entirely vile, unelected human in a position of power.

The majority of the UK do care. Keep up.

You clearly do not understand the lockdown rules as they have been implemented in the UK. You have no credibility at all over this.
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  • He gets a call that his wife is very sick with Covid symptom so he rushes home but then a couple of hours later returns to work to spread germs amongst his colleagues who may also have children and high risk family members...
...and who were supposed to be running the country at the time.
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...and who were supposed to be running the country at the time.
Interestingly an article written by Mary Wakefield, wife of Cummings, about him being ill actually mentions none of these goings on.
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The majority of the UK do care. Keep up.
No they don't. The media are pushing this. No one else is losing sleep.

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You clearly do not understand the lockdown rules as they have been implemented in the UK.
Yes I do.

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Neither do you, or anyone else on this forum. My opinions are just as valid as yours. Stop trying to be 'the' authority on the subject and speaking on behalf of the UK as a nation, and shouting other people down.
The same tactics were used on other threads to no avail.


Everyone is welcome to have their say without basically being told to 'shut up' by people who think they know better.
If there was a bit less mobbing and groaning, then maybe more than the usual 10 to 15 posters would participate.
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What about the Taoiseach? Should he now resign too?

https://www.irishpost.com/news/foota...-online-185573
Not even remotely close to the same thing.

Oh and today’s stand up comedian Michael Grove advises taking a drive to check out eye sight issues as well.

And they get away with this kind of crap because people like you will suck it up and even try to defend it.

You are trying to defend people who take road trips to test their eyesight for heaven’s sake! Have a little self respect!
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No they don't. The media are pushing this. No one else is losing sleep.
A lot of today's media is from the people -with twitter and other social media.

People do care.

Cummings has shown no integrity when being being allowed a personal platform. I wouldn't want someone like that working for the government behind the scenes.

The man also suffers from a lack of honour. BJ doesn't need to sack him. He should resign without being asked first.
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