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PaddyG 11.09.2012 13:20

Boris Johnson for PM?
 
Discussion open to Brits mostly, but anyone can join in, as long as you leave your car keys on the table :msntongue:.

I think Boris has done an outstanding job during the Olympics and Paralympics, you just can't fault him on his genuine infectious enthusiasm. Yesterday's speech after the athletes parade was pure Boris and just excellent:



There are mumblings that he may be the next Tory leader if Dave gets a poor result at the next GE, even though he himself has ridiculed the idea. So, is he simply the likeable buffon that we all know, or is there an astute, shrewd and highly intelligent politician below the surface?
He has a regular column in the Torygraph, which is always a fluent, interesting and insightful read.

Guest 11.09.2012 13:29

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1660137)
Discussion open to Brits mostly, but anyone can join in, as long as you leave your car keys on the table :msntongue:.

I think Boris has done an outstanding job during the Olympics and Paralympics, you just can't fault him on his genuine infectious enthusiasm. Yesterday's speech after the athletes parade was pure Boris and just excellent:



There are mumblings that he may be the next Tory leader if Dave gets a poor result at the next GE, even though he himself has ridiculed the idea. So, is he simply the likeable buffon that we all know, or is there an astute, shrewd and highly intelligent politician below the surface?
He has a regular column in the Torygraph, which is always a fluent, interesting and insightful read.

It would be great but sadly the buffoons that would be behind him would not let him express himself as PM the way he can as Mayor.
As for the PC brigade they would be having heart attacks at the thought of him being anywhere near No10.

Castro 11.09.2012 13:35

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I don't think he would make a good PM to be honest. The role requires a huge amount of hard work, discipline, diplomacy and the ability to bite your tongue in the face of overwhelming cultural stupidity. Send him to Brussels and he'd be like a bull in a china shop. I think he's doing a fine job as Mayor since its the perfect stage for a showman, but I wouldn't trust him in No 10.

olygirl 11.09.2012 13:37

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He looks like that guy from Little Britain.

Guest 11.09.2012 13:42

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 1660157)
I don't think he would make a good PM to be honest. The role requires a huge amount of hard work, discipline, diplomacy and the ability to bite your tongue in the face of overwhelming cultural stupidity. Send him to Brussels and he'd be like a bull in a china shop. I think he's doing a fine job as Mayor since its the perfect stage for a showman, but I wouldn't trust him in No 10.

I understand what you are saying but to be honest the politicians in the UK for at least the last 30 years have been the downfall of the country, Labour and Tory.
He is the kind of guy who could freshen it up and bring it up to date. I do agree that he would need 'restrained' slightly but I think that restraint from the PC brigade would kill off his personality and any hope of him being PM.

Reb77Br 11.09.2012 13:47

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Private Eye - Boris covers
Boris and the bankers

amogles 11.09.2012 13:47

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 1660157)
I don't think he would make a good PM to be honest. The role requires a huge amount of hard work, discipline, diplomacy and the ability to bite your tongue in the face of overwhelming cultural stupidity. Send him to Brussels and he'd be like a bull in a china shop. I think he's doing a fine job as Mayor since its the perfect stage for a showman, but I wouldn't trust him in No 10.

Boris is far smarter than he normally lets on. I'm sure he would know when it is time for more buffoonery and when it is time to roll up his sleeves and do the right thing. Too many politicians have lost (or never had) that most essential of abilities, to be able to laugh about themselves.

Chuff 11.09.2012 13:54

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 1660157)
I don't think he would make a good PM to be honest. The role requires a huge amount of hard work, discipline, diplomacy and the ability to bite your tongue in the face of overwhelming cultural stupidity. Send him to Brussels and he'd be like a bull in a china shop. I think he's doing a fine job as Mayor since its the perfect stage for a showman, but I wouldn't trust him in No 10.

Ditto, he is great as a characterful Mayor whose audience is mostly (barring the obvious situations) limited to the localised English media and an appreciative British public, but I think he would be awful and not a little embarrassing as a world-stage Prime Minister. The level of pressure involved in being a PM must be many times that of being Mayor, and he would have to be fluid and coherent at all times when dealing with influential leaders of mammoth countries like the USA, Russia and China, and trust that he wouldn't say anything stupid or outrageous at the wrong moment that could cause an issue or misunderstanding when seen live by billions of people.

Personally, while he makes me smile every time I see and hear him, and is clearly a highly intelligent (if completely eccentric) person, I don't think he is capable of that kind of level of governance.

PaddyG 11.09.2012 14:17

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 1660157)
I don't think he would make a good PM to be honest. The role requires a huge amount of hard work, discipline, diplomacy and the ability to bite your tongue in the face of overwhelming cultural stupidity. Send him to Brussels and he'd be like a bull in a china shop. I think he's doing a fine job as Mayor since its the perfect stage for a showman, but I wouldn't trust him in No 10.

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 1660192)
Ditto, he is great as a characterful Mayor whose audience is mostly (barring the obvious situations) limited to the localised English media and an appreciative British public, but I think he would be awful and not a little embarrassing as a world-stage Prime Minister. The level of pressure involved in being a PM must be many times that of being Mayor, and he would have to be fluid and coherent at all times when dealing with influential leaders of mammoth countries like the USA, Russia and China, and trust that he wouldn't say anything stupid or outrageous at the wrong moment that could cause an issue or misunderstanding when seen live by billions of people.

Personally, while he makes me smile every time I see and hear him, and is clearly a highly intelligent (if completely eccentric) person, I don't think he is capable of that kind of level of governance.

I think he would make a great PM precisely for these reasons. Our leaders of late have been quite nauseating in their kowtowing to Brussels, the US, China etc. I had high hopes of Dave, but he just ended up in the same pot as Major and Blair. It would be a fantastic breath of fresh air to have a completely different approach.

But, as inferred above, I would hate to see what happens once the spin doctors get their grubby paws on him.

Keith66 11.09.2012 14:25

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1660238)
I think he would make a great PM precisely for these reasons. Our leaders of late have been quite nauseating in their kowtowing to Brussels, the US, China etc. I had high hopes of Dave, but he just ended up in the same pot as Major and Blair. It would be a fantastic breath of fresh air to have a completely different approach.

But, as inferred above, I would hate to see what happens once the spin doctors get their grubby paws on him.

Whilst you're at it why not give Bush the Nobel peace prize!!

PaddyG 11.09.2012 14:27

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Originally Posted by Keith66 (Post 1660247)
Whilst you're at it why not give Bush the Nobel peace prize!!

I think you're posting in the wrong thread.

Chuff 11.09.2012 14:54

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1660238)
I think he would make a great PM precisely for these reasons. Our leaders of late have been quite nauseating in their kowtowing to Brussels, the US, China etc. I had high hopes of Dave, but he just ended up in the same pot as Major and Blair. It would be a fantastic breath of fresh air to have a completely different approach.

But, as inferred above, I would hate to see what happens once the spin doctors get their grubby paws on him.

So, he would make a great PM on the world stage precisely because he might screw up some already tenuous relations with the worlds superpowers by acting like an eccentric buffoon? Interesting... :msnshock:

Realistically, aside from the comedy value, it's a pretty awful idea. :p

PaddyG 11.09.2012 14:57

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 1660285)
So, he would make a great PM on the world stage precisely because he might screw up some already tenuous relations with the worlds superpowers by acting like an eccentric buffoon? Interesting... :msnshock:

Realistically, aside from the comedy value, it's a pretty awful idea. :p

To be honest, there are a few tenuous relationships which need a bit of a shake-up. And don't forget, international relations is not the be-all and end-all of being an effective statesman.

Juddernaut 11.09.2012 15:52

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I love him. Extremely smart man, don't let the buffoonery fool you. He is so real and who said studying the classics won't get you anywhere.

Boris is a breath of fresh air. Boris for PM.

Boris for President too.

3Wishes 11.09.2012 16:39

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Originally Posted by Chuff (Post 1660192)
... he would have to be fluid and coherent at all times when dealing with influential leaders of mammoth countries like the USA, Russia and China, and trust that he wouldn't say anything stupid or outrageous at the wrong moment that could cause an issue or misunderstanding when seen live by billions of people.

Fluidity and coherence aren't exactly what some of those leaders of mammoth countries are known for...and I'm pretty sure they say lots of stupid and inflammatory things. Surely Boris couldn't be any worse?? :msnsarcastic:

PaddyG 11.09.2012 16:48

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Originally Posted by 3Wishes (Post 1660387)
Fluidity and coherence aren't exactly what some of those leaders of mammoth countries are known for...and I'm pretty sure they say lots of stupid and inflammatory things. Surely Boris couldn't be any worse?? :msnsarcastic:

Exactly.

And I'm pretty sure Boris is intelligent enough to judge when to play the blustering buffoon, and when to play the serious politician.

Guest 11.09.2012 17:14

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1660137)
Discussion open to Brits mostly, but anyone can join in, as long as you leave your car keys on the table :msntongue:.

Can't say I'm that bothered - it's a furrin country to me now - but Boris has always struck me as that very rare beast, an honest politician. It's the fact that he apparently speaks his mind, and has been seen to change it too, that makes him stand out from so many of his ex-parliamentary colleagues.

His journalistic career, including being a regular contributor to the Telegraph for 20 years or more, and his TV appearances, like guest-hosting several editions of HIGNFY, has given him a level of exposure, as a real person, that would make him a firm favourite if we had a direct vote for PM, like the yanks do for their president. Whether he'd do that job well, or indeed whether he'd be able to get the acceptance of the Party to do so, is another set of questions entirely.

But I'd vote for him.

Reb77Br 11.09.2012 17:26

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1660238)
I would hate to see what happens once the spin doctors get their grubby paws on him.

Something like this.

Keith66 11.09.2012 17:35

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Originally Posted by PaddyG (Post 1660252)
I think you're posting in the wrong thread.

No not really. Just pointing out how suited Boris is for the job of PM!

Chuff 11.09.2012 17:48

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ANyone seen his classic tackle when he played a charity match a few years ago? :D



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