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OK - we can agree to disagree

I am interested to know your answer to the point I made earlier though - do you believe that the readers bear NO responsibility, or just not ALL of it?
As long as I can scale it enough. I would say 99.99% of the responsibility is the photographer invading the privacy, and .01% of the responsibility is the end user who buys a magazine that is staring at them on the shelves containing something that the vast majority of the population would be interested in, mainly because it is a topic they know they shouldnt be reading about.
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As long as I can scale it enough. I would say 99.99% of the responsibility is the photographer invading the privacy, and .01% of the responsibility is the end user who buys a magazine that is staring at them on the shelves containing something that the vast majority of the population would be interested in, mainly because it is a topic they know they shouldnt be reading about.
Wow - ok. That's amazing to me
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Damn, I thought the woman was too scrawny to have any 'tits' to be photographed. Maybe the palace should just claim they've been heavily photoshopped and move on.
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Old 14.09.2012, 15:59
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mainly because it is a topic they know they shouldnt be reading about.
do you really believe they buy that magazine to read about the tits?
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Old 14.09.2012, 16:51
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I think, in these times of austerity, it is admirable that the royal family have cut their clothing expenditure so much lately.
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It seems the Palace's fury is taking it in the direction of the courts.

The sad thing to come out of this is that the Royal family has worked hard over the years to bring itself out of the reputation where it was aloof and detached from reality.

They had an agreement with the press and were working on allowing more access and intimacy which was, up to now, working well. Everyone was observing these "gentlemen's agreements" and the nation was warming to the royals once again.

With these latest infringements of privacy it can only damage this fledgling relationship with the media and turn the royal family back into a "behind closed doors" phenomenon because of a rabid greed from a shitty minority.
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Its just royal norks. I don't know what the fuss is about
The fuss is about the fact that the French don't kill royals anymore, they protect their integrity incl. image like any other citizen. I call that progress. I find it difficult to blame the French for not killing royals anymore. Feel free to try and convince me, I'm openminded.

That was a bit of irony. I give you credit for reminding us that where it can be a photographer, it could have been a sniper. Fair comment.
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Re: Someone deserves privacy

Publication of these pictures is wrong, and should be condemned -- IMO.

The point many are missing is that this was a private holiday on private property, and in those circumstances there has to be a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Sure, if they were sunbathing on a public topless beach, that would be different. Or if they were drunk at a party where the public was present, with cameras, then they couldn't complain too much (and yes, Harry, I do mean you )

But it's wrong to say that Kate shouldn't ever take her clothes off because the technology exists to take pictures of her from a long distance.

The question was asked -- what would you think if pictures of you or your family naked were taken and published in a magazine? Pictures of you in your own home and taken with a long lens? You would be outraged.

A couple of other things briefly -- in France there are strict laws against this sort of invasion of privacy. Several people here seem to be saying that it doesn't matter, because it isn't illegal -- well, it is illegal.

Second, remember that Prince William's mother was effectively killed by the paparazzi. Do you think that he might have a particular sensitivity about this issue? I think he just might.

By all means take a pop at the monarchy if you think it's undemocratic; take a pop at Harry for being a drunken fool who deserves all he gets; but recognise a genuine case of invasion of privacy. You don't have to use too much imagination to work out why and how the abuse of 'press freedom' has grim consequences for all of us.
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Re: Someone deserves privacy

Other flip side is it was so easy to take the photos .. from a public road no less, then it could easily have been a rifle. As the house has vast open areas along which run public roads they should expect to be photgraphed as they are high profile.

If you dont want private moments to be in the public view then have them in private.

As for " how would you like it" its not relative as no one cares about joe bloggs mr and mrs average, and if you are a public figure and stupid enough to parade around with your bing bongs out dont be surprised that photos show up....

regardless if its ilegal in france or not the law is not a deterrent as the max fine is 100K euro, thats easily covered with the mag sales.
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Old 15.09.2012, 18:22
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As for " how would you like it" its not relative as no one cares about joe bloggs mr and mrs average, and if you are a public figure and stupid enough to parade around with your bing bongs out dont be surprised that photos show up....
How you would like it if your family was photographed naked on private property IS totally relevant, because that's what the issue is here. We're talking about the rights and wrongs of this invasion of privacy, and to help work out where we stand on it it's helpful to imagine yourself in their position.

As for 'bing bongs' (how old are you, incidentally?), I don't think anyone is talking about about how surprised or otherwise they are that someone wants to publish these pictures. So why state that they shouldn't be surprised. Who is surprised? It's a non-point.

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regardless if its ilegal in france or not the law is not a deterrent as the max fine is 100K euro, thats easily covered with the mag sales.
Another non-point. Who is arguing that there is no financial case for publishing? No one. It's precisely because there is a financial incentive that people go to such lengths to get pictures like this and publish them.

The question is whether it's right or not. If you say it is, then you must also think its ok for a stranger to take naked pics of you and your family on private property on holiday, and put them on the Internet. I don't think you would regard that as ok.
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Old 15.09.2012, 18:28
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Re: Someone deserves privacy

The real issue here is not so much the breach of privacy but who did it! The french paparizzi due to their behaviour were resposnonsible for Diana's death on how they hounded her. Now the same group are chasing after the William's wife and behaving like they did with Diana in that they pay zero respect to the individual all for the sake of a photograph which was illegaly obtained!

I hope the royal family bring a multi billion pound law suite against the magazine and break it they are a law unto their own the paparizzi and they need to understand they have no right to stake out people from secret locations and chase for pics.
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The real issue here is not so much the breach of privacy but who did it! The french paparizzi due to their behaviour were resposnonsible for Diana's death on how they hounded her. Now the same group are chasing after the William's wife and behaving like they did with Diana in that they pay zero respect to the individual all for the sake of a photograph which was illegaly obtained!

I hope the royal family bring a multi billion pound law suite against the magazine and break it they are a law unto their own the paparizzi and they need to understand they have no right to stake out people from secret locations and chase for pics.
Sorry, I just had to laugh my ass off on your post

The French paparazzi was at fault for the Diana's death? Strange...I never knew that the paparazzi were so dangerous. Never mind the wasted driver...

Stake out people from secret locations? LOL

It's very simple, if you don't want your boobs in a magazine just don't take out your boobs out on the sun, to me it look like somebody wanted it
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Sorry, I just had to laugh my ass off on your post

The French paparazzi was at fault for the Diana's death? Strange...I never knew that the paparazzi were so dangerous. Never mind the wasted driver...

Stake out people from secret locations? LOL

It's very simple, if you don't want your boobs in a magazine just don't take out your boobs out on the sun, to me it look like somebody wanted it
The fact that most public bathing areas and swimming pools have a "no cameras" sign should help the clueless decide whether taking sneaky snaps of a sunbather on private property is morally or socially acceptable or not.

Publishing those photos is then another stride away from decency.

Sorry but for me it's clear. Taking clandestine and purposeful snaps of a topless woman is weird at the best of times, doing it for money shows that the photographer has absolutely no scruples.

Gawping at the photos in a seedy magazine shows that some people just haven't got enough going on in their lives and are perhaps just a bit tragic.
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Sorry, I just had to laugh my ass off on your post

The French paparazzi was at fault for the Diana's death? Strange...I never knew that the paparazzi were so dangerous. Never mind the wasted driver...

Stake out people from secret locations? LOL

It's very simple, if you don't want your boobs in a magazine just don't take out your boobs out on the sun, to me it look like somebody wanted it
Maybe the driver had a few to drink bit yes the root cause was he was trying to get away from a bunch of paparizzi that hounded the car and yes they were also the first on the scene! So yes the paparizzi killed her. I therefore dont blame william for being upset since its the same sort of behaviour, perhaps he and kate should simply blacklist france and go to a country where the press respect people instead of ignore simple human rights, and I dont buy the she shouldnt have flashed her boobs even if they look ok!
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Sorry, I just had to laugh my ass off on your post

The French paparazzi was at fault for the Diana's death? Strange...I never knew that the paparazzi were so dangerous. Never mind the wasted driver...

Stake out people from secret locations? LOL

It's very simple, if you don't want your boobs in a magazine just don't take out your boobs out on the sun, to me it look like somebody wanted it
Laugh your ass off? Come on, Idefix. Be reasonable. You must know the story of the high-speed chase across Paris by the paparazzi on motorbikes. Diana was killed in the crash that resulted, so you understand what people mean when they say the French paprazzi were at fault for the death. Their actions played a big part in the death of his mother, and now the same bunch are going after his wife. You decide whether it's a sensitive issue or not for William.

The pictures were taken at a private property with "a very long lens", and they had no idea they were being spied on, so the comment that "somebody wanted it" is out of order.
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How you would like it if your family was photographed naked on private property IS totally relevant, because that's what the issue is here. We're talking about the rights and wrongs of this invasion of privacy, and to help work out where we stand on it it's helpful to imagine yourself in their position.

As for 'bing bongs' (how old are you, incidentally?), I don't think anyone is talking about about how surprised or otherwise they are that someone wants to publish these pictures. So why state that they shouldn't be surprised. Who is surprised? It's a non-point.



Another non-point. Who is arguing that there is no financial case for publishing? No one. It's precisely because there is a financial incentive that people go to such lengths to get pictures like this and publish them.

The question is whether it's right or not. If you say it is, then you must also think its ok for a stranger to take naked pics of you and your family on private property on holiday, and put them on the Internet. I don't think you would regard that as ok.
how would my family like it ( if we were famous and have moment documented) - well it would never happen as I and family have COMMON SENSE.

private property it was - in full view of a number of public roads withut screens or hedges etc.

if they guy had been in a full camo and rooting thru the bushes to the back yard thats a different story, instead he parked on a public road in full view of the house.

bing bongs? i can use the cruder TITS if you prefer? oh and its 5 years old

put pics of mr and mrs average on the net - go for it, i would never know about it as im not in the public eye.
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private property it was - in full view of a number of public roads withut screens or hedges etc.
...according to the French editor of Closer who is, incidentally, backed into a corner by a bunch of royal lawyers and the suddenly-very-moral sister companies of the magazine who are now bleating about the immorality of it all.

I have every suspicion that the above defensive remarks were accompanied by the hint of a gallic shrug.
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Oh c'mon, 3 French paparazzi on scooters were so great danger to Diana that her drunk driver had to drive 180 km/h to escape them because they were dangerous? Gimme a break. If you don't want the attention there are procedures you do to escape such moments, but when you enjoy your own popularity it's very comfortable to be the "victim" while you parade among the cameras.

Privacy? You are member of the Royal family, you go on a holiday abroad where Royalty mean nothing (as Grace Kelly once said) and you take out your tits out on the sun on a balcony a expect people to respect your privacy?! Who the hell do you think you are? You are in France...If you feel comfortable enough to be topless on a balcony, be ready next day your tits to be in the magazines...

Same story with Hary...partying butt naked in Las Vegas with girls around only Mike's tiger is missing and than they complain privacy has been breached.... GTFO

So to me all the posers from the Royal Family that enjoy the media attention are doing it on purpose....FFS how else would the media get their boobs and buts naked on camera?

Besides, people (including everybody here) took a peep on those photos so, yes, everybody is the same with their curiosity level
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^^ agree..
as for looking yep i have TBH i dont see what the big fuss is about.. it could be anyone at that distance.

although the one with will rubbing sun cream into her arse crack will prob me the most discussed
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OH MY GOD!!!

The Princess has BOOBS?!?!

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